Which God?

Absolutely. In the eyes of some. But the site you link to would also be considered in the same looney category.And that is the point.The Bible is many books. The TRUE and CORRECT Bible depends mostly on the viewpoint of the observer. And the link that you point to shows all of the classic signs of also being a Looney Site including resorting to using Led Zepplin as a voice of authority.Zeesh.

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Led Zeppelin isn't a voice of authority?? How about just Robert Plant?

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Asgara
"Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it"

Seriously are you rejecting the Bible because there are different versions? And words used?. When missionaries go to places where english is scarce do they take a King James? of course not they take a New International version. The meaning is the same! Its Gods word so everyone can appreciate.Luke 14:26 - In comparison to your love for God/Jesus all else must come secondary. All over the Bible it says love your God then love your neighbour. This does not contradict Jesus teachings to love & obey your mother and father. It does however highlight the absolute loyalty and love you must have towards Christ. All else must be secondary.Mark 9:43 - OMG, Are you an idiot? seriously?. No you do not have to cut your hand off because Jesus said so. This does show the danger of sin and the drastic measures you must take to protect yourself from the sin of the world. What better way to convey this message right?. So Jesus merely warns us the danger of defying his words. It is so obvious that this is figuritively.

This is a tad belated, but I noticed that almeyda played the prophecy card right on the first page of this thread. Like all Christian claims, this is easily shot.Farrell Till is an ex-Christian scholar:
Farrell Till Prophecy » Internet InfidelsThis essay is a very good read: you can use it to catch out Christians when they make the usual prophecy claims.Edited to fix typos and to add:Here's a massive list of false prophecies:
Bible: Prophecy and MisquotesThis message has been edited by Gilgamesh, 05-13-2004 03:59 AMThis message has been edited by Gilgamesh, 05-13-2004 04:00 AM

Here's some quickies for you almeyda:I have stacks more, but contradictions in maths are hard to rationalise away!!When did Ahaziah son of Jehoram begin his reign in Judah?
The 11th year (2Kings 9:29)
The 12th year (2Kings 8:25)
How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?
8 (2Chronicles 36:9)
18 (2Kings 24:8)
How long did Jotham reign in Jerusalem?
16 years (2Kings15:33)
At least 20 years (2Kings 15:30)
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?
22 (2Kings 8:26)
42 (2Chronicles 22:2)
How much gold was brought to Solomon from Ophir?
420 talents (1Kings 9:28)
450 talents (2Chronicles 8:18)
How many stalls did Solomon have for his horses?
4,000 (2Chronicles 9:25)
40,000 (1Kings 4:26)
How long did Gad tell David he was to suffer famine?
3 years (1Chronicles 21:11-12)
7 years (2Samuel 24:13)
How many horsemen did David take with him from Hadadezer?
700 (2Samuel 8:4)
7,000 (1Chronicles 18:4)Here's a few more:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

It being the same site and all, I don't get your point.

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Seriously are you rejecting the Bible because there are different versions? And words used?

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No, I was trying to point out that unless we have the originals, we are pretty much left to believe on faith that the translators had no ulterior motives when translating. In my opinion, stating that the bible as 100% accurate when we cannot be sure that the translation is correct, requires a giant leap of faith that I am not prepared to make.

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When missionaries go to places where english is scarce do they take a King James?

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I have no idea, I imagine it would depend of whatever is handy, the denomination of the missionaries and/or the people that they are addressing.

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of course not they take a New International version.

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I am confused; isn't the NIV an english text as well? Don't most missionaries learn to speak the language of the people that they are addressing?

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Its Gods word so everyone can appreciate.

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You see, that has been disproven many times on this forum alone. As it has been mentioned before, most if not all atheists have read, perhaps studied the bible in great detail; not to refute it, but because they were searching. Why do they not receive the same insight as you? In my case, I do believe in god; I probaby do not qualify as a believer in your eyes, but that does not matter to me at all; as a believer, I do not think for a second that it is god's divine word, printed on paper. Simply put, I doubt that the god I believe in has the ability to be that cruel, pointless, infantile or evil.

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Luke 14:26 - In comparison to your love for God/Jesus all else must come secondary. All over the Bible it says love your God then love your neighbour. This does not contradict Jesus teachings to love & obey your mother and father. It does however highlight the absolute loyalty and love you must have towards Christ. All else must be secondary.

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I understand the implied message, but the point that I was driving at (unsuccessfully) was that how can we be sure that it is figurative? How can we be sure that it is not a literal mandate?
Leviticus 19:17 is a literal mandate, "not to hate your brother".
Psalm 5:5 states that the biblical god hates the sinner. (How can that not be taken as an excuse not to do that same?)

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Mark 9:43 - OMG, Are you an idiot? seriously?

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Very nice...what kind of a response was that? While it may simple for you in your infinite wisdom to "know" what the bible is actually saying, since I am a mere mortal, I was asking for a way to cleary differentiate between the figurative and the literal. I have never removed any part of my body in an attempt to sanctify myself; but don't you see the danger inherant in verses like this if people aren't as enlightened as you?

Hi Al, Chill with the personal comments, it does nothing for a reasonable mature debate. Try reading what the content of a message.Monkeyboy: Thankyou for your patience here.AdminBrian.

Apologies Monkeyboy..Just didnt want ya out there cutting ya arms off cuz God said so..lol

No problem, almeyda. I have a thick skin and I didn't think you meant anything by it, maybe you felt overwhelmed by the volume of posts.
For the record, I believe in god without need of a bible or any other text; I was just trying to find out which god has been speaking to me...wow, that sounds flakey.
I think I have arrived at the decision that I need to find this out myself; after all, that is how I came to the belief that there is god. No one converted me in other words.
Admins, since I started the topic, I think it's time to stick a fork in it.

Interesting bit of discourse...perhaps the God that talks to you is the real...new and improved... god...yet to be discovered?

I worked with a lady whose son took it literally, and used a not-very-sharp Boy Scout hatchet to cut off his right hand. The "figurativeness" wasn't obvious to him, apparently.(It was reattached successfully - I don't know what that did for the kid's chances of eternal damnation.)

I have no idea; I'm still trying to find out. It's more of a journey towards the truth (whatever and wherever that may lead), than a certainty."The point of the journey is not to arrive" - Prime Mover, Rush

Just curious. Is there some reason you think there is more than one?If it turns out that the God that is speaking to you is Fred, would that be better or worse than if it is Elaine?

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Brilliant Gilgamesh. Too good for me on this one.