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Author Topic:   Does god have free will?
arachnophilia
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Message 3 of 128 (147130)
10-04-2004 4:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
10-03-2004 11:29 PM


i believe that our perspective of god is fundamentally limited by the bible. the bible says this, or the bible says that.
the bible is a human document, not a deity.
moreover, the bible depicts god as changing alot. but this is likely just our views of god changing throughout history.
does god have free will? i would answer yes.
the part that worries him in genesis 3 is that human now have the power to excercise free will, by knowing good and evil. he says that this makes humans like gods. so it would stand to reason that free will is one of the deciding factors in deity.
is god unchanging? i'm not sure.

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arachnophilia
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Message 7 of 128 (147364)
10-05-2004 12:37 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Tusko
10-04-2004 8:31 AM


Re: God Chucks A Sickie
then what's he supposed to do if he wants to take a day off, kick back and have some fun?
create saturday.

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arachnophilia
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Message 8 of 128 (147365)
10-05-2004 12:40 AM
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10-04-2004 4:34 AM


However, if you take the fundie point of view, it would appear that god has no free will and exists within this box that the fundies have created.
this is one of my major problems with fundamentalism. god is only who they say he is. who are they to define god?

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arachnophilia
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Message 10 of 128 (147386)
10-05-2004 2:15 AM
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10-05-2004 1:09 AM


Re: We don't Define God..
wow, you registered to reply to me.
perhaps you should look at a few of my past conversations. i consistantly confront fundamentalist christians on their views of god. this thread is a good start: http://EvC Forum: Why I am creationist -->EvC Forum: Why I am creationist
"...in hope of eternal life which God, who cannot lie, promised before time began..."(Titus 1:2)
see this thread: http://EvC Forum: Can God lie? -->EvC Forum: Can God lie?
quote:
1 Kings 22:22-23 And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
also, see genesis 2-3, where god tells adam and even that if they eat of the tree of knowledge, they'll die that same day. but it's rather off topic here, take it to the other thread.
but my point is that this is a christian definition of god. fundamentalists, in my experience, rob god of any majesty, beauty, and greatness. god is this, god does this, god talks like this.
as a fellow christian, i hope this statement truly inspires you to keep searching your faith: god is so much more than you or i or anyone could imagine.

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