God of Death or Love

The reason why you think that God in the OT is a god of death and war is because we all deserve death and that is exactly what he gave them. There has only ever been one person who has been without sin, Jesus Christ, and it is because of the perfect sacrifice that he made that God does not deal with us in the same manner."For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23)Any single sin that we commit is enough to seal our fate, but we commit multitudes of sins even in a single day. Imagine the 'debt' in sins that you would owe in a short span of your life. Enough to warrant death? Most definitely.Luckily, God sent his Son to die for our sins so that our 'sin debt' is cancelled out and we are seen with the righteousness that Christ achieved in the eyes of God. That is the Good News of the New Testament and why you think that it is a different god. In reality, the wrath of God was satisfied by Christ and we get to see his unfailing love.

Here's food for thought.You assume that the God of the New Testament is different from the God of the Old.Oh, Jews and pagans would love to have you believe that they're not the same god, but Christians don't seem to agree. The fact that there is this figure, Jesus Christ, who tells us that he is the Son of God IS a huge sticking point. It is clear that he is talking about the God of the Old Testament that the Jews would have known.

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No, it isn't really. Not all arguments can be reversed.

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You're right that not ALL arguments can be reversed, but I clearly showed that this one can be. You can't say with 100% accuracy that the God of the Old Testament is different from the God of the New Testament. You didn't even give any argument as to why YOU think that they are different. Merely stating that you think that your position in right because there are other people (the Jews) that agree with you doesn't pull much weight. That's what I was trying to show you. I can just as easily say that my position is right because there are other people who agree with me.

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You asked a question. I gave you a way out of your dilemma. You seem to be upset that there was a way out that you didn't think of.

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Actually, I didn't ask a question and I don't have any dilemma. I clearly and concisely argued my point in response to the question(see post #14 in this thread).

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No, you really didn't. It wasn't the reverse of his argument at all (especially bringing in the pagan bit...what was the point of that?)

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Perhaps I should have said that it was the same argument but from the opposite perspective, rather than the reverse of his argument. I hope that is more clear.Oh, the 'pagan bit'...look it up in the dictionary. Even in Webster's it says 'anyone who isn't Christian, Muslim, or Jew...someone who has no religion.' As in, someone who is clearly against the Gospel by saying that there are 2 Gods instead of One.

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Of course not, which is why you didn't show much of anything.

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That WAS the point. Even you admit that what I said doesn't carry much weight, and what I said was the same argument as Rrhain, but from the opposite perspective. My point was that the argument Rrhain presented didn't carry much weight, which you just confirmed.

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Which is why it is pretty much useless debating theological arguments because all you can really do is pretend that your interpretation of scriptures (or that your own particular scriptures) are better or more real than others. It's all an interpretative dance that some people think is really profound but most other people think is just so much flapping around.

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Yet here you are, trying to prove every other 'metaphysician' wrong to your own satisfaction. It makes me wonder why you would join the discussions in Faith and Belief if you feel that debating theological arguments is useless.

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"Who is more irrational? A man who believes in a God that he cannot see, or a man who is offended by a God that he doesn't even believe in?"
-Brad Stine-

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Yes, I can. The god of the Old Testament is singular. There is no such thing as a "son." That would violate the first commandment: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

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Genesis 1:26 "Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness." (emphasis added)
These don't sound like singular words...

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The god of the New Testament is plural. There is a "son."

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John 14:10 (Jesus speaking) "Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words I speak to you I do not speak on my own. The Father who dwells in me is doing his works.I fail to see how this is plural. Jesus repeatedly told everyone that he and the Father are one.

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"Who is more irrational? A man who believes in a God that he cannot see, or a man who is offended by a God that he doesn't even believe in?"
-Brad Stine-