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GDR Member  Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
larni writes: Untill then were is the problem with working with the observable universe without adding extraneous variables whose existance is not established? There is obviously more than the observable universe. Have you ever observed an emotion? You can see the results or observe activity in the brain, but you can't observe the actual emotion. Have you ever even seen an original thought? Does a thought or an idea have mass or energy? This doesn't prove that there is a soul but it does demonstrate that there is something about us that is more than flesh and blood. Everybody is entitled to my opinion. 
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
larni writes: I'm a good person to ask about this because I'm a cogntive behavioural therapist by trade so I would say with confidence that I have observed many emotions in clients. If you could point to the unobservable part of emotion I would be delighted. I would be able to take this new information and rock the core of cbt. Again I'm a good person for this question because I have participated in studies where my very thoughts were in fact measured. As the energy spikes in areas of the brain (be it by electrochemical exchange or spikes in metabolism) when (say) we engage in directed thought we can conclude that thoughts have an energy component and therfore mass. One thing for sure, is that we won't have a fight over credentials. I have none. I also have a hunch that I'm not going to be rocking any cores. Isn't what you are observing either by behaviour or in the brain just the result of the emotion or thought? Wouldn't there have to be a trigger to cause the brain activity in the first place to cause the physical reaction? Is that trigger physical? It seems to me that the brain perceives things like colour, distance etc but it is another thing altogether to cause us to find something beautiful or ugly. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Taz writes: Ask yourself this question. Is your operating system in your computer physical? You do realize that it is a combination of binaries written on your harddrive, which is a very physical thing. The computer doesn't have original thoughts as such, nor does it have emotions.
Taz writes: If there really is such a thing as a soul and that it is independent of the physical brain, then explain why people's personality are different after they've suffered physical brain damage. A brain injury like other injuries causes the body, (in this case the brain) to malfunction. This injury causes deviations from what would be normal reactons. I'm not saying that this is conclusive, I'm just saying that this would be one explanation. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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GDR Member Posts: 6202 From: Sidney, BC, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 2.1 |
Taz writes: GDR, you're quibbling the analogy. Not really as it was original thoughts and emotions I was talking about.
Taz writes: But hang on. If the metaphysical soul is real, how come physical injury would cause the mind to be different?The human mind, including all the emotions, are an abberation of the neural patterns of the brain, nothing more. Again, we can prove this by looking at brain damaged individuals. Their personalities have been altered through physical trauma. If the soul really exists, physical damage shouldn't affect the personality. I guess I see it this way. It don't think that personality is the best term. I think that our humaness is defined by where it is that we find joy. Either we find our joy in the love of justice, mercy, truth and the joy of others, or we find our joy in the love of self and our pride and ego. Of course we all go through a life of a tug-of-war between the two, but in the end one or the other will predominate. We live in a physical world and as a result we require a physical brain to allow our fundamental humaness to interact with the world. If that physical brain suffers physical trauma or is drugged, then that fundamental humaness becomes distorted as it plays itself out in our lives. I am not suggesting that this is provable, and I agree that it is only conjecture, but it represents what I'm inclined to believe to be roughly correct. Everybody is entitled to my opinion.
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