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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3451 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Let me first say what I think your comment tells about your belief or lack thereof. You seem to have a wrong view on Christianity. I have never heard someone getting punished for not praying/reading the Bible/attending church etc...If it was the case I would be punished a lot then, and so will the rest of humanity. I see you are from France. American Christians (both C and P) seem to have a problem with non-attendees. It's almost like a curse hanging over your head (literally, in a church-going family and speculatively in a non...we get it from our "friends"). It really is weird to not be able to answer the question "what church do you go to?" Because it was asked so often when I was a kid. And it is even weirder to go to a church and then hear all kinds of shite flinging from other "Christians."
You should read the New Testament (it's quite a short read but a lot to ponder about) to have a better understanding of who Jesus was and what he said, because in the end He is the ultimate reference on God the Father. Jesus did perform miracles, like walking on water. Maybe you can call on a physical coincidence, but you can't blame people to call it a miracle since obviously walking on water is physically impossible, as far as we know Well..I have read the NT. I can't say that Jesus did anything. I heard some guys liked what he said. I can't say that anyone who knew him recorded anything accurately. The miracles are all second hand and, frankly speaking, my life is, well, human, and full of comedies and tragedies and soap-operatic dramas and bottom of the barrel horrors and full of mothers who love me and friends who betray me and women who love me and brothers who will speak well of me and get my message out even after they die.
It's not like the re-uniting of my parents, but at least God answered my prayers, and he must have worked my mother's heart out (she's the one that left) or something like that, I don't know. But then it's not fundamental to me whether or not it's a miracle. The greatest miracle to me was the change of my heart. I don't deny your change of heart. But how do you know it was the God of the Bible? Especially when you say this:
The God from the Bible doesn't necessarily rewards or punish, this would be a faith based on works, which Christianity is not. And then you say this:
He will punish those who have disobeyed his commands and who will persist disobeying, and who will not acknowledge him as the Creator God. What commands are people disobeying? Just the one...to have faith? Who are you to say? Can you judge?
A lot of people know that God exist, but don't want to worship Him, instead they prefer Lucifer (who is according to the Bible the ruler of this world). How do you know the difference? Are there "works/actions" which disqualify people from salvation? "You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London "Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
D2D writes: (superstitions are irrational beliefs IMO) You do realise that is no difference between religious and superstitious beleifs, dont you?
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
Until a week ago last Tuesday I don't think I'd ever had a miraculous experience, but what happened that day was to me nothing less than miraculous. Nothing supernatural about it, of course, but miraculous nonetheless.
The story involves driving in the snow. Coincidentally, earlier in the day I'd had a conversation with a co-worker where I mentioned that our road had a hill where it joins the main road, and that it wasn't unusual for a car or two to be unable to make it up during a snowstorm, requiring the people to have to park down at the bottom and walk in. I said that this had never happened to me, but only because I was always careful to make sure I was already home before it started snowing. The forecast that Tuesday was for light snow in the afternoon turning to rain, and then rain all evening into the night. I play tennis at 4:30 on Tuesdays, so I drove to the tennis club in the light wet snow confident that it would, as the forecast had said, turn to rain. So we played tennis for an hour, then as our good luck would have it, the 5:30 group after us didn't show up, and some other friends were there, so we played doubles until around 7:00 PM. Afterward, reaching the parking lot we suddenly realized why the group after us had not shown up. It was still snowing, and it was heavy, wet stuff, 3 inches already. I have never in my life driven in such slippery conditions, and I've driven in lots of snow. Towns, apparently believing the forecast, had no road crews out, and there was not a plow or sand truck anywhere to be seen, and not on the entire drive home. The conditions were so bad that even the idiots were driving slowly, and I never saw anyone exceed about 15 or maybe 20 mph at most. Most of the time 10 mph was about the practical limit. The approach on the main road to our road is also uphill, and I knew that I would have to maintain momentum or I was not going to even make it up to our road. I thought as long as I kept going I would be fine, so I gave myself a few more mph as I approached the hill. But conditions were so bad that I couldn't maintain my speed, and my tires, even with traction control, started spinning and my speed diminishing and my rear-end fishtailing (rear-wheel drive) until finally I was at 4 mph, 3mph, 2mph, this was it, I was going to be stuck, when suddenly... I hit plowed road! It was the only piece of plowed road anywhere I'd driven that night. And the main road was only plowed from that point up to our road. And our road was plowed, though not the main road coming from the other direction. It was like God had plowed a path to my door, and I was home drinking a cup of hot cocoa in no time! Okay, maybe not much of a miracle, but anyone who knows how much I hate getting stuck in bad weather will understand how I feel. --Percy
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Granny,
Granny Magda writes: It appeared to be a perfect little country church, its door right in front of me, its walls covered in ivy.Of course it was just a visual illusion. The sides of the church were formed by two trees. Two more trees, further back, stood behind and between these trees, forming the illusion of a door. Granny I was intrigued by your story and as I pondered over it I wondered why you came to the conclusion it was a Christian Church rather than a theater, A library building or some other kind of building. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Hi ICANT,
You ask a fair question. I suppose it was because of the "architecture" of the thing. The sloping roof over the doorway, the ivy-covered walls... I would add that we didn't "come to a conclusion" in any considered way. The first of us to see the illusion saw it in an instant. I was primed to look for a church (by my friend's exclamation) before I saw the illusion, so I was unlikely to see any other kind of building. Little ivy-covered churches are a familiar sight to anyone who lives in the UK. This one looked most like a Norman church to be specific; theatres and libraries are much less uniform in their appearance than churches. That's my explanation anyway. I have to ask though; would you say that our vision was "a sign"? Mutate and Survive
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Granny,
Granny Magda writes: would you say that our vision was "a sign"? Granny I know there are a lot of religious people that would tell you yes and you missed it. But to tell you the truth I have no idea. I am more for reading the Bible and coming to conclusions because of what I read and then comparing things it says to things that I see and know. There are many things in the Bible that was penned a long time before man knew those things would exist, that we take for granted today. Sorry I could not be more help with your question. God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Percy,
Percy writes: I hit plowed road! It was the only piece of plowed road anywhere I'd driven that night. And the main road was only plowed from that point up to our road. And our road was plowed, though not the main road coming from the other direction. It was like God had plowed a path to my door, and I was home drinking a cup of hot cocoa in no time! So how far past your house was your road plowed? God Bless, "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Percy Member Posts: 22490 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.0 |
ICANT writes: So how far past your house was your road plowed? Our road is a dead end that ends in a large 4-acre circle, and it was plowed all the way around. At the split I could have gone either way - obviously my every need was anticipated. I can think of a couple possible explanations. An older child of one family on the street doesn't live at home, but he lives nearby and puts a plow on his truck in the winter time. And our next door neighbor sits on the town's road committee and manages to get our street plowed early sometimes. I could have asked around to find out but didn't bother. --Percy
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Thanks Percy,
Amazing that it got cleared to the exact spot that you needed. Just a few feet less plowing and you would have had problems. Lucked out. God Bless,
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2667 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I was sitting in bed, late one night, when I, for lack of a better phrase, saw everything. My mind felt like it had suddenly managed to put all the pieces together and see exactly what the universe was. I had one of those, too.Back in the 90s. I got smacked in the ass by an MTA bus in Manhattan (in 95) and was left with a broken back and neck. One night, about 2 months after the accident, I was at home in bed ... and I could not for the life of me fall asleep. The pain was too great (I refused to take the pain pills or the muscle relaxers the doctors prescribed ... I toughed it out instead.) Near dawn, I had the sort of moment you are talking about. But rather than being frightened, I felt all care and worry lift from my shoulders. I got dressed, grabbed my cane and headed to the local bodega (at a snail's pace ... still couldn't walk very well). I had never seen such a glorious morning. The feeling continued the entire day. I had never known such peace (nor have I since). Everything returned to normal the following day. Those of a more mystical bent would ascribe this sort of thing to a benevolent god. I, or course, did not.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
God is immune to the crying of dying babies. In His genocidal flood, He ordered the babies and children drowned first. Their crying was annoying. Quite the war cry.
Babies first. Good thing I do not believe in the flood. RegardsDL
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