Your train of thought is flawed.
Demonstrate where it is flawed, I give you permission.
It is not logical to conclude that something which has an end cannot always have existed.
What the! Were you excited when you made this statement? How can something that has always existed have an end, something that has an end must have a beginning because the second you claim that it has always existed your ascribing it the property of being eternal. According to what you are saying something could eternally exist and at the same time not be eternal. When something has always existed it has existed eternally. Sir/Miss your kind of reasoning will only end in a huge throbbing headache.
Let’s analyze the claim you have made above. For instance, for how long has the universe existed already? If you give me a number then it means that the universe had a point of conception because it has an age, something can only have an age if it had a birthday. Secondly if your answer is it must have always existed, then you are suggesting that the universe has eternally existed, and if something has eternally existed it is not subject to extinction or running down for the reason that it is eternal. You cannot escape the logic this argument is founded on sorry.
Cedre writes:
A second point is time time is involved in the conception of something, thus the phrase zero hour, to prove my point without time earth wouldn't have had a history, and history is a record of everything that came into existence and went out of existence and all of this happened with time. Things also run down with time or improve with time. Time is one piece of the puzzle.
You seem very confused here, I am wondering if you have a lucid and coherent point on this subject.[/qs]
What the! For a second time. What is wrong with my reasoning here, history only exists because time exists; you and I are currently making history, your every last action is part history, and guess what without time none of the above would be happening. This words that I’m typing onto the screen are being formed in time, without time this would be impossible.
This is a completely subjective decision on your part. The laws do not stop functioning, they are simply never applied. Nothing about time stopping makes gravity stop working, it just means that there is no other time frame in which to see how it alters processes. Gravitational lensing and spatial distortion would still be in effect when viewing a static system.
If they are not applied then they are not taking place, and if they are not taking place they aren’t functioning. By not functioning I’m not saying that the laws have broken down, I simply mean that they have been paused. Let us suppose that shortly after chucking a chair at someone who has offended time stops, will that chair pause in midway or complete its course. The answer is a simple no; the chair will pause in midair because for a change in position to occur time is essential.
2: Without time the physical laws cannot function. We already went over this above, but stopping time also leads to other issues. For instance, you would not be able to do anything in heaven. This prevents angles from singing, God from talking, being kind, etc.. and you from thinking or perceiving anything at all. Other critical plot points become impossible, such as how do you explain Lucifer being cast out of a place that is incompatible with action or history?
You are basically guessing what will happen. In any case as I have mentioned the physical laws do not have to apply to God and his surrounding, he made the laws surely he wasn’t stuck in just one position before he made them. Plus according to what the bible says God is spirit and heaven is a spiritual location, therefore you cannot make the above assertions as you do not know on what laws the spirit realm operates, for example it has been said that angels travel at the speed of thought, I don’t know if this is true, but if it is true it illustrates that the spirit world operates differently, also spirit beings can travel through obstructions like walls and the like as was demonstrated by Jesus shortly after his resurrection. From this too examples it would be clear to anyone that the laws that govern us are not the same laws that govern the spirit realm.
The universe does not care how stupid you are, it worked before you were born and will work after you die, regardless of your ability to understand why.
Look at that you’re getting too personal, calm down man, this isn’t the Jerry Springer Show; here we do things in a civilized manner so latch onto your decorum.
I may not share his viewpoints in other areas but this particular failing leads me to believe Cedre is dangerously insane.
Wow some people are just not built for debates they turn onto the debater when debater disagrees with them.
Such is my concern about religion; there is nothing wrong about the practice itself, but it indicates a deep mental malformation which concerns me from a societal standpoint.
Actually, the position that makes the most sense is that you are a loony which is why neither of your ideas make any sense.
Huh! This guy has really convinced himself that he is a guest on the Springer Show, have a look at all those insults gushing forth from his mouth.
Who says, you and your ancient book? Besides if you are willing to accept something always existing then why not accept that matter and energy always existed? That way you get around the whole conservation law, and you don’t need to make up magic sky wizards.
I think you need to undergo a physics module, or if you already have then you need to revisit your class notes.
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