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Bailey
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Message 44 of 64 (493252)
01-07-2009 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by Brian
01-07-2009 4:11 PM


ass,u,me
Thanks for the exchange.
I would have more repect for the Christian God if He had the integrity to apologise to mankind for all the horrendous suffering He has caused us through His ineptitude.
lol - the only thing supposing He would not are 'christians' and imaginations ...
Sure you wanna trust 'em?
One Love
Edited by Bailey, : spelling
Edited by Bailey, : grammer

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, I'm just a fool playing with ideas.
My only intention is to tickle your thinker. Trust nothing I say. Learn for yourself.
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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Bailey
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Joined: 08-24-2003


Message 50 of 64 (493314)
01-08-2009 8:25 AM
Reply to: Message 47 by Straggler
01-07-2009 6:41 PM


evolution of freewill
Hi Strag,
I don't claim to have any answers to these questions (but then I am deeply cynical of the concept of biblical, or indeed any other kind of, prophecy which only ever seems to be recognised as such after the event and which also seems to involve a lot of hindsight based interpretation - But that is a whole other topic in it's own right).
We are on the same page here. That said ...
Can man use his freewill such that biblical prophecy can be avoided?
Biblical prophecy appears to deal primarily with civilization more than individuals. Even so, we would say yes ... now, will the species manipulate freewill to change civilization? lol - not likely, it would take the collective majority; most all limit what they feel the Father is capable of, and many others see no need for change. Reality suggests jews/muslims/catholics/protestants/athiests,etc. may prove to rigid to welcome change. The Father Loves civilization enough to oppose rigidity; agnostics and samaritans may be His underdogs. A paradox may be found in the usefullness of spiritually impotent religious rigidity.
It is expediting a more Loving (agape) civilization; one that can learn from true ignorance (good) & the black art of religion (evil).
If the future is known, and therefore fixed, can man truly exhibit freewill?
Everyday, freewill decisions permit and deny one's willingness to accept the fullness of Reality.
By allowing individual realities to evolve, we engage in freewill.
Perhaps freewill may disengage if we knew the specific details of our individual future?
If freewill is not the ability to choose between alternate futures then what is it?
That is what it is.
Our 'future' is not much more than what we permit within our individual Realities'. If we do not choose to evolve, Reality simply evolves past us. Evolution may not reside in ones Reality, providing one does not lend it reason and logic; but, ignorance will not cause evolution to desist. Ultimately, our most longstanding freewill decision dictates whether one cleaves to a spiritual existence that is temporal (death) or one that is continuous (Life).
We have acquired the ability to choose between alternate futures.
One Love
Edited by Bailey, : grammar

I'm not here to mock or condemn what you believe, I'm just a fool playing with ideas.
My only intention is to tickle your thinker. Trust nothing I say. Learn for yourself.
Think for yourself.
Mercy Trumps Judgement,
Love Weary

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Bailey
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Message 52 of 64 (493327)
01-08-2009 9:12 AM


bliss
Thank you for the exchange.
How could Jesus choose an alternate future when it had already been widely reported to man, as God given immutable fact, that crucifixion and sacrifice was his inevitable fate to be?
lol - by listening to His disciples and enacting a decision to evade punishment.
Perhaps the Servant of mankind would have had to live temporally and simply ignore some things.
All the rumors about Himself, His fate, and lastly the advice of the One Who Loves the most; His Father.
One Love
Edited by Bailey, : grammar

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