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sidelined Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
dpardo
The Ten Commandments in Exodus 20. And what of the ten commandments of Exodus 34.1 Exodus - Chapter 34 Exd 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon [these] tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. Exd 34:2 And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount. Exd 34:3 And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount. Exd 34:4 And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone. Exd 34:5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD. Exd 34:6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Exd 34:7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation]. Exd 34:8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped. Exd 34:9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it [is] a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance. Exd 34:10 And he said, Behold, I make a covenant: before all thy people I will do marvels, such as have not been done in all the earth, nor in any nation: and all the people among which thou [art] shall see the work of the LORD: for it [is] a terrible thing that I will do with thee. Exd 34:11 Observe thou that which I command thee this day: behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. Exd 34:12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: Exd 34:13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: Exd 34:14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name [is] Jealous, [is] a jealous God: Exd 34:15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and [one] call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice; Exd 34:16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods. Exd 34:17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods. Exd 34:18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt. Exd 34:19 All that openeth the matrix [is] mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, [whether] ox or sheep, [that is male]. Exd 34:20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem [him] not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty. Exd 34:21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest. Exd 34:22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. Exd 34:23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel. Exd 34:24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year. Exd 34:25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning. Exd 34:26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk. Exd 34:27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel. Exd 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments. I suppose you follow these ten commandments?
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Sidelined writes: And what of the ten commandments of Exodus 34.1 There is only one decalogue (set of 10 commandments). I have already seen the other thread claiming that there are two. Is this thread really the place to argue that?
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
dpardo
Is this thread really the place to argue that? Perhaps not. It does however go towards the validity of applying bible based moral codes to the conduct of one within one's society.It is especially telling that the ten commandments of 34:1 are said by god to moses of being faithful renditions of the first. Exd 34:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon [these] tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest. Why would you fail to follow the second set of commandments{I believe there are actually more than ten}unless you would consider it a good thing to ignore such from your perspective? Why is it that the two sets of commandments differ if they are supposed to be the same according to the bible? If you wish we could start a thread to explore this but perhaps we should wait till after christmas to allow us to have free time to discuss this? A centipede was happy quite, until a toad in fun Said, "Pray, which leg comes after which?' This raised his doubts to such a pitch He fell distracted in the ditch Not knowing how to run.
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dpardo Inactive Member |
Sidelined writes: If you wish we could start a thread to explore this but perhaps we should wait till after christmas to allow us to have free time to discuss this? Sounds good.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Why is it that the two sets of commandments differ if they are supposed to be the same according to the bible?
And note that we only have Moses's word as to what the chapter 20 set said - he broke those tablets. The chapter 34 ones were the set that got carried around in the Ark of the Covenant for the next few centuries.I'll follow the new thread when it starts.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
How was the the Pharaoh's heart hardened? Was it not his own sin that caused this hardness? from the quote:
quote: thank you come again.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
These and all others are the result of human activities because there is no god to prevent such things from occuring well that presents a quandry for believers. how do we believe, and yet observe that such things happen?
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
well, no that was interesting. stupid board told me it didn't go through, multiple, multiple postage here.
This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 12-25-2004 01:34 AM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
[stupid board]
This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 12-25-2004 01:32 AM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
[stupid board]
This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 12-25-2004 01:33 AM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
[stupid board]
This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 12-25-2004 01:33 AM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
[stupid board]
This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 12-25-2004 01:33 AM
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
[stupid board]
This message has been edited by Arachnophilia, 12-25-2004 01:33 AM
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5929 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Arachnophilia
how do we believe, and yet observe that such things happen? I could speculate that you are afforded comfort in your beliefs and that comfort is the purpose.That it is inconsistent with the reality of the horrors that men are capable of does not diminish its value as a psychological defense in many people. I was going to continue in a conversation concerning horrors that convinced me of otherwise, but I do not wish to dredge up these images for you this close to christmas day. I will perhaps reiterate at a later time.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1365 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
interesting. i have little respect for christmas, as a christian. it's a pagan holiday, actually. if the bible can be reasonably trusted, jesus was born sometime in the spring.
but i think my answer is that i don't seek comfort in belief. to some degree i suppose i must, becuase i trust that god know what he's doing, but at the same time i know such awful atrocities happen. i think it might actually be more comforting to not believe in god. at least then i would know that all evil is merely the result our own decisions...
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