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Author Topic:   Are we prisoners of sin
SammyJean
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Message 92 of 454 (504900)
04-04-2009 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Phage0070
04-04-2009 9:40 AM


Re: Prisioner of Sin
Phage0070 writes:
So that is what is inside the women's restroom, the Garden of Eden.
Yeah, that's why there's always a line to get inside!!!
Edited by SammyJean, : No reason given.

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SammyJean
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Posts: 87
From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 100 of 454 (504932)
04-05-2009 11:37 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Peg
04-05-2009 5:26 AM


Re: Prisioner of Sin
Phage0070 writes:
can we agree that there is no evidence that sin is anything other than a mental construct? That the concept of sin is inherently linked to religion and thus must be taken "on faith"?
Peg writes:
I dont agree with that for the reason that even non religious people have a conscience
this conscience tells them when they've made a mistake or a bad decision...the conscience is a part of each of us and it didnt take any religion to tell us about it.
Actually in the bible the word sin comes from a verb (Hebrew- chata & Greek- hamartano) literally meaning miss, In the biblical sense it means'to miss the mark of the perfect standard of God'. So i dont think you can say that it is purely a religious concept.
How does that not still make it a religious concept in a biblical sence? Doesn't your stated translation of sin still equal "miss" or a mistake. Then when you throw in the biblical sense part, "to miss the mark of the perfect standard of God" that it then becomes a religious concept. Take out the biblical sense part sin = miss or, humans make mistakes.

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SammyJean
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From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 301 of 454 (505649)
04-14-2009 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Cedre
04-14-2009 7:46 AM


Re: God's Law(s)
Cedre writes:
Explain these dangers as it relates to the clear unadulterated message in the Christian bible, namely love your enemies as you love yourself. Tell me how can this virtuous and pure teaching ever end up in a bloodbath.
Tell us Cedre, how it is that this virtuous and pure teaching HAS end up in a bloodbath?
Do you know nothing of history? In particular Christian history?

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SammyJean
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From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 302 of 454 (505661)
04-14-2009 6:36 PM
Reply to: Message 285 by Cedre
04-14-2009 9:33 AM


Re: woodsy
Cedre writes:
I'm a Christian and I don't believe in the authenticity of other religions, frankly I believe their teachings are either plainly man's ideas or man's ideas mingled with satanic ideas, this is what I believe.
So how do you feel about other brands of Christianity? Christianity has something like 33,820 different denominations. If one branch doesn't follow the same interpretation of bible that you follow do you dismiss their teachings as plainly man's ideas or man's ideas mingled with satanic ideas? How can you be sure that you have the right branch of Christianity?

"Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." -Albert Einstein

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SammyJean
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Posts: 87
From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 315 of 454 (505682)
04-15-2009 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 308 by Peg
04-15-2009 5:39 AM


Re: God's Law(s)
Peg writes:
a christian church that actually practices Christianity is one in a million
Christianity has around 33,820 different denominations. So...then, maybe there is none?

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SammyJean
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Message 316 of 454 (505683)
04-15-2009 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 309 by Peg
04-15-2009 5:41 AM


Re: woodsy
Peg writes:
you find one that teaches from the bible and not doctrines of men.
Don't most of the different Christian denominations teach only from the bible, just different interpretations?

"Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." -Albert Einstein

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SammyJean
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Message 350 of 454 (505960)
04-20-2009 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 347 by Cedre
04-20-2009 9:31 AM


WOW!!!
I knew that you are a Christian Fundamentalist but, Wow!!! I think if I looked up Christian fundamentalist in an illustrated dictionary your picture would be there.
Cedre writes:
But the bible gives us a way to determine true followers of god with passages like this ones:
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
So you are of the serpent handling, arsenic drinking, speaking in tongues, variety of Christian? Kind of like the hillbillies we have in the Appalachian mountains here in the USA? Serpent handling is illegal here be the way.
Cedre writes:
Now I can tell you that I have seen all of the above take place in my church and in my particular denomination, whether or not you believe me is up to you. You can try to come up with all sorts of explanations and reasons that challenge what I have just said, but frankly I am not bothered because I know what I have seen with my own two eyes,I have seen aids cured, tumors, neoplasms what have you reduced to bare nothing. I have seen the crippled walk and the blind receive sight, I have seen a woman slither on her belly imitating a serpent because she was possessed. Sound fantastic? but even more fantastic is that it's actually true.
Anyone can claim this. I want to see this kind of healing documented by trained medical professionals, until then dream on brother!
I've see tumors reduced to barely nothing too! It's called chemotherapy and radiation treatment.
You've seen the crippled walk again? Wow! I work at a bio-tech who's research is partially focused on spinal cord injury. I've see rats made to walk again and this summer we will be allow to try this new technology in humans. This is the hope crippled people have in the real world Cedre! In the real world of medicine.
As for the woman slithering on the ground...possessed? I think not! Sound's like a mental health issue. There are antipsychotic drugs on the market that can help with that.
No god magic required!

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SammyJean
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Posts: 87
From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 368 of 454 (506094)
04-22-2009 12:32 PM
Reply to: Message 365 by Cedre
04-22-2009 8:36 AM


Re: woodsy
Cedre writes:
The burden of proof is on the guy who wishes to dismiss these experiences as mere by-products of physical events.
Excuse me Cerde, but you have this backward! The burden of proof always lies on the person making the questionable claim. Never on the person dismissing it.
Cedre writes:
Atheists claim that the evidence speaks against God
No they don't! You obviously don't know anything about atheism. Atheist are atheist because there is no scientific evidence that points to there being a god. Lack of evidence, it requires no faith or belief to be an atheist!

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill.
I will choose a path thats clear, I will choose free will. - Neil Peart
"Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." -Albert Einstein

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SammyJean
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Posts: 87
From: Fremont, CA, USA
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Message 403 of 454 (506539)
04-27-2009 11:10 AM
Reply to: Message 402 by Cedre
04-27-2009 10:22 AM


Re: Incapable of Not Sinning
Cedre writes:
God is the same today yesterday and forever, his nature is absolute and fixed, he may change his methods of dealing with sinners but he hasn’t stopped altogether to deal with sinners
This statement contradicts itself! How can god be absolute and fixed forever and always yet change his methods?
BTW, are you debating or are you delivering a sermon to the flock, because you post is giving me flashbacks to my youth spent sitting in the Kingdom Hall of Jehovah's Witnesses.

You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.
You can choose from phantom fears and kindness that can kill.
I will choose a path thats clear, I will choose free will. - Neil Peart
"Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts." -Albert Einstein
"I would rather have a mind opened by wonder than one closed by belief."
~ Gerry Spence

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