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Author Topic:   Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.
RAZD
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Message 210 of 354 (362524)
11-07-2006 10:43 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by DominionSeraph
11-07-2006 10:09 PM


Sorry, but if you're in a cage, you're in a cage.
An ant in a lion cage is in a cage and yet not caged.
Earth can be defined as a cage for all life on earth: does that make us caged?

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Message 213 of 354 (362587)
11-08-2006 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 212 by DominionSeraph
11-08-2006 2:17 AM


An unlimited "free" is self-contradictory.
Check yourself.
I don't need unlimited. ONE "free" means unlimited "caged" is false.
We gots nottink to lose but our chainz.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 215 of 354 (362679)
11-08-2006 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by DominionSeraph
11-08-2006 1:54 PM


oh?
quote:
cage” -noun
1. a boxlike enclosure having wires, bars, or the like, for confining and displaying birds or animals.
2. anything that confines or imprisons; prison.
quote:
un·lim·it·ed adj.
1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.
Thus "anything that confines or imprisons" "without qualification or exception" would be unlimited caged.
What's the contradiction?
Enjoy.
Edited by RAZD, : bbcode

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Message 217 of 354 (362980)
11-09-2006 9:15 PM
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11-09-2006 4:25 AM


The universe is such a cage.

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Message 220 of 354 (363058)
11-10-2006 12:17 PM
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11-09-2006 9:30 PM


If the universe is expanding,
Thus it is unrestricted.
maybe it isn't really a cage
It still contains everything it had in it each instant before without exception. It still contains itself.

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RAZD
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Message 221 of 354 (363060)
11-10-2006 12:20 PM
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11-10-2006 4:28 AM


you were the one brought up unrestricted, when the discussion was relative restriction and freedom.
I take it you agree that there are spectrums of freedom and spectrums of restrictions.
whether you accept the argument about the universe or not.
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Message 223 of 354 (363961)
11-15-2006 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by DominionSeraph
11-15-2006 7:46 AM


You're the one who brought up unrestricted in your attempt to sound Zen,...
Actually it was you:
Message 212
An unlimited "free" is self-contradictory.
... as that's what you used to disassociate Cage(1) from Cage(2)... I have an addition for your signature: "Enlightenment is in confusing your terms."
You are, of course, completely free to believe that.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 226 of 354 (364598)
11-18-2006 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by dogrelata
11-18-2006 10:39 AM


Re: Special insight?
Welcome to the fray dogrelata.
Not sure if this is really related to this topic, but I do think it is to Perceptions of Reality where I have added in Message 112
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RAZD
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Message 229 of 354 (365511)
11-22-2006 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by DominionSeraph
11-20-2006 8:26 PM


bye
RAZD writes:
Actually it was you:
No, it was you:
quote:
Earth can be defined as a cage for all life on earth: does that make us caged?
Which has nothing to do with "unlimited" - did you think I would miss you moving the goal posts?
The full quote is
You're the one who brought up unrestricted in your attempt to sound Zen,...
Actually it was you:
Message 212
An unlimited "free" is self-contradictory.
Notice the total lack of the words "unlimited" and "unrestricted" in the quote you used to claim that I posted it first. This is misrepresenting the truth.
I also noticed that you were recently suspended for:
Message 197
quote:
But the clear communication of one's position and reasoning is a goal of this forum.
I can appreciate the fact that you find yourself enormously entertaining here, and previously, with your expressions of flippant contempt; it is self-evident.
It will only moderately entertain me to suspend you briefly if you continue in this vein.
Now I had a bit of a chuckle at that, as that is very much my opinion of your behavior on threads in general (in my experience). I did wait until your suspension was over before responding.
If I misinterpreted, that would mean that you asked an extraordinarily stupid question.
I win either way.
Which is but one more example of "your expressions of flippant contempt" that got you suspended eh?
I find it curious that you think you "win" by misinterpreting the positions of others.
For some reason this reminds me of others that have claimed "victory" in these debates:
Message 179
I cam,I saw,I conquored
I have not proven my points. YET i have proven that Marsupial biogeography fits creationists models of the past fine. Watch the equation.
I think I've made a Damn good case for the good guys.
All of you have withered away with serious arguement. You just ask desperate question after question revealing the poverty of your stand. After all we are all novices.
Also as usual in these circles the weaker side reverts to abuse.
You all constantly accuse me of ignorance and this and that about my ability and motives.
I have never said one negative word about any of you. Nor wish or will. We understand you can't handle our well moored confidence and feel intimidated by us.
I claim victory. I claim the kill. Hope all enjoyed and were instructed. My opponents are intellectually wearied and done.
Interestingly "Robert Byers" is no longer posting here (his last post was 10*20*2004 03:57 PM) but everyone else is. It was also in "boot camp" for what that is worth.
You are, however, STILL completely free to believe whatever you want, including that you have won a victory of words when your argument has reached the point of absurdity besides being totally off-topic.
This is, of course, more like the behavior of trolls than people truly interested in honest debate.
Enjoy.
ps - don't be surprised if you find some other empty and pointless "victory" in a lack of response to any more of your posts: I don't respond to trolls.

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