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Larni
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Message 31 of 59 (339952)
08-14-2006 8:44 AM
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08-12-2006 6:16 PM


DTS writes:
1. If God has inspired this little child to do what she does, why hasn't He inspired other children to do likewise?
2. If you are skeptical of Bible teachings because of errors or contradictions that appear to occur throughout the work, does this child's story change your mind in any way?
3. Does this child's belief affect, either positively or negatively, one's attitude toward evolution?
1: I believe that there is in fact no 'divine' inspiration going on here. I did shed loads of pictures of space ships and dragons as a child. What was inspiring me?
There is no reason to believe that this girl is anything more than imensely talented with a god fixation. In a few years she will do a Charlotte Church and discover boys 'n booze.
2: Of course not: why would an incidence of god fever in anyone change the way the world works?
3: My attitude to evolution has been irrevokably destroyed. This girls artistic talent proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that allele frequency cannot change over time.
Edited by Larni, : Clarity

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Message 32 of 59 (340029)
08-14-2006 3:51 PM
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08-14-2006 8:44 AM


The striking thing about her story is that she was not taught anything about God in her family, but had this experience of "heaven" when she was only four, and from that point on believed in God and influenced her family to believe. This is not ordinary kid stuff of the sort you are describing.

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Message 33 of 59 (340036)
08-14-2006 4:23 PM


Marketing ploy
I think this reeks of the good old marketing ploy of exploiting gullible Christians.
I am not saying she isnt a talented artist, in fact I find it tremendous. But, add that little bit of a Christian flavour and the bucks will be garaunteed to roll in.
I think it would be quite easy for me personally to denounce my atheism, and claim that I have seen the light, write a wee book or two 'proving' most of the early books of the Bible (I mean no inerrantist actually investigates pro biblical claims do they?), move to the USA (south of course), and market the books from there, piece of cake.
If only my atheist morals didn't get in the way.
Brian.
AbE Jesus, have you seen the price of the orignal works? 50,000 to 1 million bucks!!
Praise the Lord I have seen the light, thank you Jesus for shedding your blood for me.
Edited by Brian, : noticed the prices

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Message 34 of 59 (340037)
08-14-2006 4:24 PM
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08-14-2006 3:51 PM


Sure
The striking thing about her story is that she was not taught anything about God in her family, but had this experience of "heaven" when she was only four, and from that point on believed in God and influenced her family to believe. This is not ordinary kid stuff of the sort you are describing.
Do you believe everything you read?
Brian.

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Message 35 of 59 (340038)
08-14-2006 4:34 PM
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08-14-2006 4:24 PM


Re: Sure
Do you believe everything you read?
Do you have some reason for not believing this? Or, what exactly about the story don't you believe and why?
In any case, you can't assume something other than what was told is the truth, as would be the case if the heaven story is simply ignored.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 36 of 59 (340052)
08-14-2006 5:56 PM
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08-14-2006 4:23 PM


Re: Marketing ploy
Or do a L. Ron Hubbard, and make billions.

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Message 37 of 59 (340063)
08-14-2006 6:37 PM
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08-12-2006 6:16 PM


declinetostate writes:
Does anybody have any opinions about this little girl
She a very talented painter! Her paintings are way over priced.
If God has inspired this little child to do what she does, why hasn't He inspired other children to do likewise?
Maybe it was not god, maybe she suffered from a form of charles bonnet syndrome.
If you are skeptical of Bible teachings because of errors or contradictions that appear to occur throughout the work, does this child's story change your mind in any way?
No
Does this child's belief affect, either positively or negatively, one's attitude toward evolution?
She paints, she writes poetry. This imho has nothing to do with that issue.
Edited by randy feagley, : No reason given.

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Message 38 of 59 (340064)
08-14-2006 6:41 PM
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08-14-2006 4:34 PM


Faith writes:
Do you have some reason for not believing this?
  1. It's on the Internet.
  2. There's money to be made.
  3. I gag on hooks, lines and sinkers.
(Have you ever heard of the horse who learned mathematics?)

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Message 39 of 59 (340068)
08-14-2006 6:58 PM
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08-14-2006 6:41 PM


Just because she makes money doesn't mean she is a fraud or any of it is a lie. You have to come up with real evidence for fraud, not the fact that her stuff sells. Benefit of the doubt, charity charity.

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Message 40 of 59 (340070)
08-14-2006 7:03 PM
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08-14-2006 6:58 PM


Faith writes:
You have to come up with real evidence for fraud, not the fact that her stuff sells.
I didn't accuse anybody of fraud. I suggested that it's a better explantion than demons.

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Message 41 of 59 (340077)
08-14-2006 7:43 PM
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08-14-2006 6:37 PM


She a very talented painter! Her paintings are way over priced.
This was my thought as well. She seems exceptionally talented (in a raw sort of way), but certainly not to the tune of $1,000,000 a pop. As Brian noted, the prices alone reek of huksterism on someone's part - and I highly doubt it's hers. How much of the price is "ability" and how much is "gullibility" is an interesting question.
I only hope that she has the opportunity to use some of that money to pay for a top-flight art education, goes on to paint whatever suits her fancy, makes a lot of money, and lives a happy life. It would be the ultimate tragedy if she was "used" by others seeking to make a buck off of her talent.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 42 of 59 (340100)
08-14-2006 9:39 PM
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08-14-2006 7:43 PM


quetzal writes:
but certainly not to the tune of $1,000,000 a pop. As Brian noted, the prices alone reek of huksterism on someone's part - and I highly doubt it's hers.
Hello. At this site:
Missouri valley times
quote:
Her larger than life works have been selling for as much as $25,000 to $55,000 already.
Who is paying this price. Shes good, but her work should not be that valuable yet!
I only hope that she has the opportunity to use some of that money to pay for a top-flight art education, goes on to paint whatever suits her fancy, makes a lot of money, and lives a happy life. It would be the ultimate tragedy if she was "used" by others seeking to make a buck off of her talent.
Hopefully she does go to the best art school her money can afford

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and one evil, ignorance.
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Message 43 of 59 (340104)
08-14-2006 10:46 PM
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08-14-2006 9:39 PM


Work quality
Shes good, but her work should not be that valuable yet!
It shouldn't be, in my opinion, worth even a 1/10 of that. It is, I think, technically very good for a 10 year old (even for an adult with a few years of training). But it is not great "art" at all. It is, excuse the pun, uninspired and very, what I call, "disco art mart" looking.
Hype, hype, hype I'd say.
I wonder how unusual the skill is actually. Maybe a lot of unhyped examples.

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Message 44 of 59 (340105)
08-14-2006 10:53 PM
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08-14-2006 10:46 PM


Re: Work quality
It shouldn't be, in my opinion, worth even a 1/10 of that. It is, I think, technically very good for a 10 year old (even for an adult with a few years of training). But it is not great "art" at all. It is, excuse the pun, uninspired and very, what I call, "disco art mart" looking.
Something to decorate a motel room. But the manual dexterity is amazing.
Edited by robinrohan, : No reason given.

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alacrity fitzhugh
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Message 45 of 59 (340131)
08-15-2006 12:06 AM
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08-14-2006 10:46 PM


I agree with you. She has yet reach the point where the depth shows( sorry I'm not sure of the term). As a comparison most prices for James Bama range from $80 to just under $4000, and he has been painting for decades!

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