Human Programming

sorry, I don't know why a partial post was submitted, please reply to the previous oneAdded by edit (ABE): I can added the stuff from your reply to the partial post into your reply to the full post after you post it.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE

Well take it differently.Once you affirm you are not christian it is usually either because you adhere to another religion, wich generally means that you find others belief illogical...

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IE : Scientology find his own belief logical, hence believing in a God that create us is illogical since evidence around us point that Xenu the suprem galactic being send souls etc ete etc...

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IE : For muslims God cannot have sons, christianity is illogical

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or because you have studied the said religion and chose that it is hard (illogical) to believe X, Y or Z thing really happened just because someone or something claim so.So in both cases (wich should logically englobe pretty much..everycases) if someone isn't christian, I can safly say that he finds the whole belief illogical, or that you have to make illogical assumption to believe the whole thing.They might be exceptions.. I'm just not intelligent enough to find any right now Please note that my annoying comment arent there to annoy you. It is justs omething that I find quite logical. And usually don't spend to much time explaining it. But I'll try each time to make myself a little bit clearer Yet this interpretation isn't logical to me. We're made up of a lot of thing that are not earthly, hydrogen, oxygen etc.. and no, atom doesn't come from the earth...So even your interpretation isn't true... If we don't assume anything outside of our knowledge I don't see how.... Can you throw a coin and make it leave the gravitational pull ?
I was speaking as if "someone" threw the coin. A human, you me or anyone else.oh and..well check my previous message

No, not really. It would only be evidence for either the soul or the belief in god and it would all be subjective. Still though, I don’t really care to get into it. I think the only illogical assumption that I make is that God is omnipotent. Because you’re misinformed and misunderstood it. Hydrogen and Oxygen are elements that are found in dirt and the earth. The atoms that you are made of were once bound to substances that comprised the earth, ie the came from the earth. So, re-evaluate my interpretation with this new information. I think the sky is blue.
The sky and the grass are not the same color. (P!=Q)
The grass is not blue. (!P)
Therefore, the sky is blue. (-> Q)That argument is illogical but the conclusion that the sky is blue is true.{ABE}If logic dicated truth, wouldn't this dictate that the sky is not blue?Also, I though of a better, more clear, example.1) If it is raining then it is wet outside. (If P then Q)
2) It is wet outside. (Q)
C) Therefore it is raining. (--> P)Now, here in St. Louis, Missouri, USA. It is raining, that is the truth. However my reasoning for concluding that it is raining is illogical. Can you see how logic does not dictate truth?{/ABE} If it is attached to a rocket It doesn’t really matter though. I was just being pedantic to exemplify the problem with the absolute statements that you tend to make. I don’t think you are trying to be annoying. Its just that you jump around and misrepresent what I’ve said and reply with thing that are not really applicable, etc. Don’t worry about it though, I’m enjoying our discussion.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE

Exactly, there would be no evidence for Jesus etc..
So evidence for Sould + God doesnt equal to christianism. And that Jesus existed. And everything that you cant really tell but hold true because of the bible.what I said

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Logic is the only tool we have to tell truth from delusions. Logic dictate what's true and what's not. If something is illogical, you will most likely believe it to be false. And logic expand with knowlegde.

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And in your example you use partial logic to achieve something

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Soundness, which means that the system's rules of derivation will never let you infer anything false, so long as you start with only true premises. So if a system is sound (and its axioms, if any, are true), then the theorems of a sound formal system are the truths. All of the theorems of a system that has no axioms are its truths and sometimes the truths of such a system are called 'logical truths.' (Note that if a system is not consistent, it cannot be sound. This is because a contradiction is always false, so if two theorems contradict at least one is false.)

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This is Formal Logic and although your axiom is true (as it should be)
you didn't complete your theorem. Because to be able to conclude that it is raining it would have to be1) It is always raining when it is wet outside
2) It is wet outside
3) Therefore it is rainingNow that was logical and true. Yeah I know, but if you don't modify my sentence, and if you throw a coin in the air logic dictate that it will come back down. No excpetions So am I

We’ve already covered this, I already agreed and said the same. That was the point, that my argument was not logical, it was true however. Logic does not dictate truth. That’s a false premise. Woopty-freakin-do. You totally missed the point. You just HAD to throw that in there, huh?

Well i don't want to quote wiki on logic, but if you read it, you can make "anything" true by that logic. Wich is why it's only partial logic.So if logic doesn't dictate truth what does ?

Maybe you should read the wiki article on truth.

Here is a short 5 paragraph answer to your question...Oops, something lost

The last line from your link:

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The reassuring thing about the Gospel of Jesus Christ is that He asked us to test claims and not just to blindly follow.

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Jesus Christ, Scientist. Faith takes a backseat.

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Faith is believing because it makes sense. It is seeing... not blind.It is truely believing that the universe is just and merciful in an ultimate sense.Jesus didn't leave the blind in their blindness and tell them to just believe.You don't understand what you say, and that is blind faith, because it makes no sense.I think you're confusing faith with hope.

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Mark 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get behind me, Satan!" he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

On the contrary:

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Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

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Faith is for what is not seen - when there isn't enough visible evidence to "make sense". Well, they're both right there in the same verse.

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Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Who taught you how to diagram sentances?faith is the substance = the evidencethings hoped for = things not seenHebrews 11 is a simple y is to t,as j is to b equation.You cannot be that stupid...

I don't see what your confusion is here.Faith is the substance of things hoped for. Things hoped for are not seen. Therefore, faith is for what we don't see.I was agreeing with Ravi Zacharias - that Jesus wants us to question.

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Lol... no my little fiend. Jesus doesn't ask us to question logic, but to test whether truth claims are logical. There is a difference.Let's examine your truth claim...Faith is the substance- That is the clear thinking and logic (what is seen).of things hoped for- So we multiply (that's what 'of' means) the logical extensions. We reach out with our thinking to see if what is hoped for is well reasoned against what we do see (if it is consistent).Things hoped for are not seen Yes, like Justice.Therefore, faith is for what we don't see. As I said before, it is for you, but not for me.

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Mark 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get behind me, Satan!" he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

And I didn't say that, did I? I said I agreed with your source.

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