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nator
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Message 16 of 91 (310618)
05-09-2006 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by SR71
05-09-2006 6:29 PM


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They may be scientists but they cling to their findings cause they want to refute the creationism.
Most scientists don't about Creationism, if at all.
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They want to make a name for themselves and be famous.
Mostly, they want to be productive, do meaningful work that they care about and get tenure somewhere.
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Some, a verry small few, actualy look to find answers. Those are the ones that end up realizing after comparing the facts that evolution is false.
Like who, exactly? And, how many of these scientists also "just happen" to be fundamentalist Christians before they "realize" the ToE is false?
IOW, if a scientist rejects the ToE is is nearly always on religious, not scientific, grounds.
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Anyone have a question I can ask as a super-stumper for him?
I'd begin by asking to explain what he understands basic concepts of Evolutionary Biology to be.
Most Creationists can't, and then you can ask him why he feels OK about rejecting and criticizing something he doesn't even begin to understand.

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Message 28 of 91 (310814)
05-10-2006 5:46 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by SR71
05-10-2006 9:54 AM


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I need to be able to tell him how we evolved from a single-celled organism.
Tell him that Evolutionary Cell Biology is not something that can be grasped in a couple of minutes. Many people spend their entire working lives studying cellular evolution.
If he really wants to understand, he's going to have to put in some real effort to learn and understand some actual science.
I still think you should press him to explain to you what his understanding of the basic principles of the ToE are.

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Message 38 of 91 (311111)
05-11-2006 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by SR71
05-11-2006 9:57 AM


Like I said...
Get him to explain what he understands the basic concepts and mechanisms of the ToE to be.
I'll bet a nickle that he can't.
You've got to start at the very basic level, and get HIM to do some research and make an effort to learn something.

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Message 39 of 91 (311115)
05-11-2006 5:45 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by SR71
05-11-2006 3:35 PM


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He is now attacking Atheism, lol, saying that an atheist can't have morals without God. Of course this is easily disproven, but it's funny that this has come up in a debate over evolution.
Ah, that's a sign that he doesn't want to actually do any work or bother to educate himself in the actual science.
Ignore the other stuff, say you'll get back to it another time.
Seriously, ask him to outline the basic concepts and mechanisms of the ToE as scientists use it, and see how he does.
If he struggles, then ask him how it is he can criticize it without understanding the basics?

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Message 86 of 91 (311900)
05-15-2006 8:05 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by SR71
05-12-2006 9:28 PM


So?
Have you asked him to explain, in his own words, what he thinks the ToE states and what the basic mechanisms are?

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