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kuresu
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Message 19 of 91 (310637)
05-09-2006 11:20 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by SR71
05-09-2006 11:02 PM


i know the feeling. I'm debating with a friend of mine (who happens to be a math wiz and a quite rational person except for evolution), and everytime I brought up another irrefutable point he changed directions or refused to listen to the argument being presented. Then I found out the true kicker.
It turns out his scientific reasons for rejecting ToE were just a front for his moral rejection--"if we're just animals, what right do we have to have morals. And we have morals". He has yet to respond to the Talk Origins list of speciation or look for any evidence himself.

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kuresu
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Message 21 of 91 (310645)
05-09-2006 11:53 PM
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05-09-2006 11:28 PM


yeah, he pretty much refuses to look at the evidence presented to him. I might mention that he is also fundamentalist and pentacostal (though what bearing that has I don't know--i just know they pray a lot)
If he admits that animals have morals he is still in a conundrum--how are we special then? So he'll refuse that point. I garuntee it.

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kuresu
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Message 52 of 91 (311276)
05-11-2006 11:24 PM
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05-11-2006 10:50 PM


how about stating that deserts are formed depending on certain conditions. And that the Sahara was once grassland (is that the right biome?), and some of the prove lies in the ancient riverbed found running through it. Oh, and the Sahara, according to geology (if I'm right it's this field) is much older than 4 thousand years.
Last glacial age is a good response, but qualify it by saying that it ended twelve thousands years ago (roughly)
anyone know how fast the glaciers retreat? And what about the uplifting of N. America since their retreat?

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kuresu
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Message 54 of 91 (311278)
05-11-2006 11:28 PM
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05-11-2006 10:50 PM


Since the oldest desert in the world is only 4,000, which you didn't prove false but yet supported, it is rational to conclude that the earth is not billions of years old
ask him how this conclusion is rational and logical. basing your date off of one method is ver risky and uncertain.
quick answer--it's not.
Oh, and deserts do disappear and reform. It often depends on where the continent is and whether there is a nearby mountain range, as well as a lack or rain. How can he explain the fact of emergence and disapperance of deserts with his assumption? ask him that.

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kuresu
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Message 59 of 91 (311297)
05-11-2006 11:51 PM
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05-11-2006 11:35 PM


if you want to understand, you have to reach out and grab the bull by the horns. I myslef am but a teenager, but I have taken every science course offered by my high school except for physics and ecology. I'm taking summer classes at my community college to rebuild my foundation of math.
If you can, take challenging classes that make you think--perfect example would be a philosophy class or a high-level english class (think AP or IB)
oh, there is a general reply button and a specific reply button. the GR button is to the left, at the bottom page I think. The SR, which I'm using right now, is located under the post you want to reply to. It helps us understand who you are responding to if you use the SR button.

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kuresu
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Message 78 of 91 (311660)
05-12-2006 11:05 PM
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05-12-2006 11:23 AM


yet sirius is an example of a red star becoming a white within the past 2,000 years. Ancient astronomers described Sirius as glowing red in the sky, Yet now it is categorized as white
he doesn't know his astronomy too well, does he. check it out on your own, but the star sirius is actually a binary star system. Sirius A is the red giant, and sirius B, the pup, is the white dwarf. Sirius A's apparent and absolute magnitude are much greater than B's is, which is why the ancients say it as a red star.

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kuresu
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Message 81 of 91 (311671)
05-12-2006 11:34 PM


thank you for correcting my assumption that it was A was red. astronomy isn't quite my forte, but I find it interesting.

  
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