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crashfrog
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Message 29 of 91 (310823)
05-10-2006 6:10 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by SR71
05-10-2006 9:54 AM


There's only two fundamentally different types of cells, and examples of single-celled organisms can be found in both types.
Prokaryotes have cells with no membrane-bound organelles. Basically, all the chemical metabolism of the cell happens out in the cytoplasm. All the genetic stuff, all the digestion, all the respiration, all that stuff happens all mixed up inside the cell, or along the cell membrane. These cells, however, can use proteins to form closed microcompartments to seperate a region inside themselves from the chemical environment of the cytoplasm.
Eukaryotes have membrane-bound organelles, like the nucleus, or Golgi bodies, or endoplasmic reticulum, that have specified functions. The mircocompartments of prokaryotic cells are a kind of evolutionary precursor to these structures. Eukaryotic cells also include various endosymbiotes like mitochondria and cholorplasts that handle various metabolic functions in exchange for shelter within the cell. These endosymbiotes have long since lost the ability to do anything but function metabolically but they still possess their own DNA, including vestigal sequences for the functions they no longer need to do.
The transition to multicellularity from a unicellular eukaryote is almost trivial, considering that a unicellular eukaryote is really a composite of several organisms already - itself, and the endosymbiotic mitochondria or cholorplasts. In the natural world we see a continuous range of organisms from basic unicellular organisms like the paramecium, to colonies of identical cells working together, even to organisms like sponges that are basically colonies of three or four different types of clonal cells.
Of course, that's not much different what a multi-cellular organism like you or I are - a colony of thousands of different types of cells, all clones of each other, working together but specialized for different functions, including reproduction.

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crashfrog
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Message 40 of 91 (311126)
05-11-2006 6:00 PM
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05-11-2006 3:35 PM


He is now attacking Atheism, lol, saying that an atheist can't have morals without God.
Atheists are significantly underrepresented in prisons, according to surveys, usually by about a factor of ten. That is to say, if 10% of Americans as a whole are atheists, less than 1% of people in prison are atheists. It's the religious who are typically much more likely to commit crimes. Across the nation, divorce rates are considerably higher in the Bible belt than among the nation as a whole.
Atheists can't be moral without God? Looks to me like it's the religious who can't be moral even with God.

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crashfrog
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Message 47 of 91 (311243)
05-11-2006 10:38 PM
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05-11-2006 10:04 PM


In my subjective experience, I tend to agree, however I would like to know your sources.
I don't have any offhand.

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crashfrog
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Message 48 of 91 (311244)
05-11-2006 10:42 PM
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05-11-2006 10:33 PM


IMO, we have a logic simply because we have the most developed brains.
He's not talking about logic, he's talking about reason.
It all comes from language. And we know that languages do evolve. You can even teach language to most primates.
Nonetheless, the origin of human consciousness is shrouded in mystery. Not the least of which is the mystery of what it actually is. Creationism can't answer that, either; the best they can do is assert that it's something God has to breathe into you. That doesn't really answer the question.
At some point you need to reign him in. Creationists like to machinegun question after question. You need to call him on his responsibility to defend his original arguments and rebut your evidence. Otherwise you're not actually having a discussion.

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crashfrog
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Message 56 of 91 (311286)
05-11-2006 11:38 PM
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05-11-2006 11:35 PM


Like I said I'm a teenager and if I could be this knowledgable I would definitely choose to.
If you ask questions from those who know, and seek out books and other information, then you do so choose.

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