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jaywill
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Message 18 of 45 (537441)
11-28-2009 3:36 PM


Who are the demons?
The demons are disembodied spirits of creatures that existed on the earth before the creation of Adam. They are the disembodied beings who followed Satan with the rebellious angels in a revolt against God.
Part of their judgment was to lose their physical bodies and be restricted to the what must be the deep water of the sea.
Since Adam relinquished his dominion to the rule of Satan when Adam also rebelled the demons seem to have some freedom to:
1.) Roam the earth in "waterless places".
2.) Seek human bodies to infest and possess.
Here we see Jesus teaching that the demons rebelliously leave thier area of confinement and search for human sinners as subjects to demon posses their bodies:
"When the unclean spirit goes out from the man, it roams through waterless places, seeking rest, and not finding it, it says, I will return to my house from which I came out. And it comes and finds it swept and decorated.
Then it goes and takes along other spirits more evil than itself, seven of them, and they enter and settle down there. And the last state of that man is worse than the first." (Luke 11:24-26)
The demon is called by Jesus the "unclean spirit". They are punished by being deprived of the physical bodies they had in pre-Adamic times. In the age of the sinful fall of man, the demons leave the watery place and possess the bodies of sinful people. If necessary they will gang up as a group and firmly hold that poor victim's body. For them to be without a body is a restless torment.
When Jesus expelled the demons from the man's body the next best thing for them was to possess the bodies of animals. The pigs were available. And this also may have something to do with why God in the Old Testament had some animals slaughtered along with the sinful humans of some rebellious occult riden society.
At any rate the demons are also called, "the dead" in Revelation 20. And it is clear that they are a distinct class of dead beings from dead humans:
"And I saw the dead, the great and the small,standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened; and another scroll was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by the things which were written in the scrolls, according to their deeds. (v.12)
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, each of them, according to their works." (v.13) (Rev. 20:12,13)
Some of us believe that "the dead" in verse 13 who were given up by the sea are the demons, the judged bodiless beings from the pre-Adamic age. The reason is that "the dead" given up by death and Hades should include ALL dead human beings. Those humans who died, for instance, by drowning at sea should also be included in the dead who are in Hades.
So the dead given up by the sea may refer to the demons who should be confined to the sea. But in this age some of them escape and wander in "waterless places" seeking to possess bodies again of humans.
Now the demons were expecting one day to be tormented by Christ:
"... Son of God... Have you come here before the time to torment us?" (Matt.8:29)
They realize that thier present confinement and restlessness is not yet the final torment they are to receive. Their ultimate time to be given up by the sea as "the dead" and be judged for their deeds is not until the Great White throne judgment alluded to above in Revelation 20.
Jesus allows them to escape into the physical bodies of the swine.
Now, exactly why the herd ran to their death in the water I am not sure. It could be that the demons were trying to take thier relatively restful pig habitations into the water to escape further possible judgment from the Son of God. They may have known full well that they needed to return to the watery place.
It may also be that the tormented pigs just could not tolerate being demon possessed. I do not know.
Look at the levels of their desire from all the relavent passages. I propose.

1.) They do not want to be in the final torment of the last judgment.
2.) They would prefer to this to be in the water restless.
3.) But if they could they would wander about in "waterless places" seeking human sinners to possess their bodies, vitimizing sinners.
4.) If they cannot secure human bodies and are cast out of them by the Spirit of God, they would prefer animal bodies.
5.) They would rather be in the water with animal bodies than be disembodied.
6.) Best of all would be for them to have thier original bodies of the pre-Adamic age. But that is totally impossible since that world was judged by God before the creation of Adam.
One more matter. In the new heaven and new earth two things will be no more.
1.) Death and Hades (Rev. 20:14)
2.) The sea (Rev. 21:1)
Death and Hades as the container for the dead human sinners is no longer needed. And the sea as the container of the dead demonic beings is no longer needed.
We see some symbolism of the sea representing death. Hades and the sea are illiminated in the new creation. Death and Hades are thrown into the lake of fire the second death (Rev. 20:14) and the dead unbelievers and the dead disembodied demonic beings are judged in the eternal torment at that time.
In the mean time the gospel is preached to humans that they may be saved.
Now, it is my opinion that because the demons partly live in the deep waters and partly come up out of the water to roam in waterless places seeking sinners to possess, the book of revelation symbolizes them as amphibians, as frogs. We all know amphibians like frogs live both in the water and on the dry land:
"And I saw, out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits as frogs; For they are spirits of demons doing signs, which go forth to the kings of the whole inhabited earth to gather them to the war of the great day of God the Almighty." (Rev. 16:13,14)
The demons are depicted as FROGS, hoping up out of the water onto the land. And in the end times some of these demonic beings will perform supernatural things in their last ditch attempt to defeat Christ who comes to torment them at the approaching time of judgment.
I believe now that Satan and the evil angels and demons are more and more wetting people's appetite for the miraculous, the occult, the casting of spells, and acts of sorcery.
We would do well to prepare ourselves against deception by prayer in the Holy Spirit and loving of Christ and the pure word of the Bible.
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