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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Keys, being a Christian does not mean you have to check your brain at the door. Yes, but being the kind of Christian that Ken Ham and, apparently, keys, advocates does. The "museum" pits human reason against God's word in display after display effectively informing people that using their brains is not encouraged by God For more images and a review of the "museum" in Kentucky go here. Take note of the mention of a "christian academy" called LCA and the link to some excerpts from the biology text used there. Freaky shit.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
So, unless you had some science here to prove that there was no God, don't mind if some of us check your brain at the door. The burden of proof is not on me, but you, my friend and all the others who put forward the idea of a supernatural entity (for which we have NO evidence). OTOH, my position is well evidenced. The burden again falls upon you to falsify the evidence, although doing so does not automatically make your belief correct, of course. Oh, and I would thank you kindly if you left my brain alone...it goes through all doors with me.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
What position? That there is no God??? I thought you just said there was no evidence? Make up your mind. The position that accepts the evidence for evolution as discovered through human reason. I thought that was the obvious position as we were discussing the museum display and its message.
On the contrary, I have no need to prove what is well known. The reason you have no evidence is because you ignore it, and set up a belief system that ignores it, and a knowledge system that ignores all but the material. Why ignore this? Because there is no evidence for it. I admit that I cannot disprove the existence of God, but neither can you disprove the existence of Krishna or Zeus or Mara or Amun (all pretty well known either now or in their time). Does that make you believe in them or do you pretty much ignore them?
Not this one. You must check it at the door, and admit that there is more dealt with in the museum than your brain can deal with. Yeah, I do have to kind of take it all in in spurts. Laughing so much makes my cheeks hurt.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Way to quotemine.
You're well on your way to messageboard martyrdom. Congrats. Do you mind if I ask for your answers to my questions? Do you "ignore" the notierity (well-known-ness) of Krishna or Zeus or Mara or Amun? And if so, why?
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
On the other hand, the earth abounds with evidence for a God, and spirits, and supernatural, though the evidences are not of the paltry science of nature sort. So, do you believe in fairies, sprites, nymphs, ghosts, etc?
I agree. I think that sums it up real well. Now, what about creation would not be supernatural?? What about the makeup of a man would not include the supernatural?? What do "creation" and "man" have to do with each other?
All science is is an admission it cannot deal with more than the natural, so it is a pretty paltry little area of knowledge, in comparison to the big picture What big picture? The big picture of Hindus? The Ancient Aztecs? The Muslims? The Protestants? The Catholics? The Animists? The Buddhists? The Neo-Pagans? The frauds on TV who tell us they speak for our dead loved ones? Of course, science cannot deal with subjective experiences. That is why it can never falsify your experience with "God. That is yours and yours alone. It cannot be repeated.
Ah, here you limit yourself to the confines of the natural again! The supernatural cannot be evidenced with only the natural, that is too limited for the job, by it's nature. On the other hand, the earth abounds with evidence for a God, and spirits, and supernatural, though the evidences are not of the paltry science of nature sort. It is high time to put that limited body of understanding firmly in it's little place. The funny thing is that science does not discount the supernatural...it just cannot quantify it, yet. However, a purely literalist belief in the Bible automatically disqualifies any kind of "human reason." So, what is the "paltry" point of view here?
Ah, here you limit yourself to the confines of the natural again! The supernatural cannot be evidenced with only the natural, that is too limited for the job, by it's nature. On the other hand, the earth abounds with evidence for a God, and spirits, and supernatural, though the evidences are not of the paltry science of nature sort. It is high time to put that limited body of understanding firmly in it's little place. Can you provide us with any non-anecdotal evidence for this? Or, better yet, can you provide us with an example of a theologian who has advanced human civilization in the past 200 years?
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Because we are all entitled to our beliefs, and the belief that I found most historical, evidenced, and present and observed, and working was the God of the bible, and His son. Did you? Did you actually read any other religious texts? Did you actually read any other philosophical texts? Did you read any of them in groups besides your own church friends? Did you read anything in the context of your own mind? It amazes me how many people just accept a particular religion/moral/philosophical construct without actually understanding a different way of thinking other than the one which dominates their culture. Do you really think you would have avoided the influence of the Qu'ran if you had lived in Saudi Arabia? Or Iran? Or Jakarta? The answer depends on an "open mind." Doesn't it? Or does your "open mind" begin and end with "evidence" provided by one text? We all have post hoc evidences we like to fall back on, but that does not make any of them true.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Since it is part of an exhibit IN a real creation museum, how could it be anything BUT relevant? Think about it. What does an animatronic depiction of some people looking into a cave have to do with creation? It's not like you have the actual people looking into an actual cave. Or any proof that anybody found an "empty" tomb. How does one prove a tomb was empty anyway?
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
It is an exhibit in one!! I think I also said already that the resurrection shows that there is more than natural science at work. The One that rose from that tomb is the creator of the universe, in case you somehow missed that?? That is why, rather than a sword swallower, or evolution swallower, He made it into a creation museum! So, God needs to use Ken Ham to spread His word instead of presenting Himself to the unbelieving Atheist Scientists? Funny, that.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3452 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Bottom line, you don't believe in spirits. Great, so can you bring us science to prove there are none?? Do you have any solid reasons ghosts do not exist? Why would I take your opinion over the bible? Where does the bible say that there are ghosts?
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