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Author Topic:   Creationism museum opens in Alberta
Vacate
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Message 2 of 303 (404313)
06-08-2007 4:05 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by simple
06-08-2007 3:23 AM


How noodly be thy appendage?
My wife told me about this several days ago. Thanks for the reminder as I fogot to make a post about it!
CBC News = Creationism museum to open in Alberta
keys writes:
I think this is a good thing. A great thing. Long overdue.
Do you also consider a museum that promotes the Flying Spagetti Monster also a "great thing" and "long overdue"?
Not because all the science is perfect, any more than it might be for the evolution proponents, but, because children deserve faith.
Interesting that you would promote the museum on the grounds of a need for faith and not on the grounds that you feel a problem in science. If you have no problem with science, would it not be better to supply faith in some other method? Perhaps church or a theology class would be a better method of providing faith.
I would not be surprised if many in different states and countries opened up over the next decade or so.
It would not suprise me at all. I find it sad that instead of progress things seem to be slipping backwards in the progress of science. With fights in court and the building of such museums I would not be suprised if my great grandchildren believe the Earth to be flat and illness is caused by evil spirits.

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Vacate
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Message 38 of 303 (404530)
06-09-2007 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by simple
06-09-2007 12:38 AM


Re: How Sweet it is!
keys writes:
What, exactly is Creationist "science"??
I am not really sure, what I do know is its not science.
Why would I think something that does not exist is great?
No idea. I am trying to find a baseline to understand why you think that creationist lies are any different than the FSM and its comical alternative. I don't see how you can differentiate the two.
Illness can be caused by evil spirits
You have any proof of this? I am sure there are thousands of doctors who are interested in their job security.
why not let the creation of the bible be taught, even with imperfect science
Why not let creation science publish perfect science? Its not like the rules are secret. Why should you advocate "imperfect science", do you make a habit of such things in other areas or only when it comes to science?
I don't feel that science really comes into the picture all that much.
Ahh. So we do agree on something!
After all, how much science is in the pre big bang stories?
None, but what does this have to do with creationist lies?

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Vacate
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Message 90 of 303 (404697)
06-09-2007 6:44 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by simple
06-09-2007 1:51 AM


Re: How Sweet it is!
Vacate writes:
None, but what does this have to do with creationist lies?
Keys writes:
Well, you claim that the universe started at some point where you have no, as you put it "none" proof at all at all at all.
Actually this is not what I claimed. The original statement you made was "How much science is in the pre Big Bang Stories?". My answer was "none". If you care to supply me with some quotes or links about what science claims was factual about a PRE big bang I would be quite interested to see it. At this point I stand by my statement that there is no science in this field.
Keys writes:
OK, so you talk about things you do not know about at all.
That is not what I said nor what I implied. I do know about so called "creation science". I am well aware of its claims, I am well aware that each and every claim I have looked into is easily disputed, I am also well aware that they have done nothing to progress science. So you ask "What exactly is creation science?" and I answer - I do not know. It is certainly not science. If you care to explain what it is besides an empty void; false scientific claims and easily disproved hypothesis, I would be overjoyed.
Keys writes:
I am trying to find a baseline to understand why you think that standard universe origin lies are any different than the FSM and its comical alternative.
Evidence. Textbooks, scientists, whole fields of research producing repeatable results. The flying spaghetti monster has no such luxury - hence my reasons for comparing FSM to creation science.
Keys writes:
Why bring up doctors??
You make the claim that illness is caused by evil spirits and you do not think that doctors should be informed? All the years of scientific research into the health industry and years of training by these doctors and its all wrong? If an exorcist can replace doctors I do firmly believe that they should be informed.
Keys writes:
Do you have any proof it is not so?
You want me to prove that there is no such thing as evil spirits that cause people illness? Besides the entire field of medical research ... Are you serious?
Who says the museums are based on science any more than your claims of some early big bang?
Join the science threads and show me the evidence. Please. I mean I really am interested to read just one bit of evidence that shows a 6000 year Earth.

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Vacate
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Message 92 of 303 (404703)
06-09-2007 7:20 AM
Reply to: Message 61 by simple
06-09-2007 2:11 AM


Re: How noodly be thy appendage?
Keys writes:
What about those talking about the FSM??? You aren't ragging on them. Why?
I brought up the FSM as a comparative to creation science. I would still like to know if you support the building of FSM museums. A more direct question is - Should people be overjoyed when museums are built on fantasy, mythology, or lies? What about if such museums are built yet portray these ideas as facts?
I am not talking about the FSM. I am asking you if you are overjoyed at fantasy museums possibly being created and marketed to children as truth.
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I got through this thread after I replied to your post #46. I see now that you do not wish to present your evidence, nor address any of the issues presented in the science threads.
Are you claiming that the science threads are based on evidence? If so, what parts of the evidence? All of it, or just the narrow, piddly little cultish bits of fleshly stuff they chose there??
What you could do - present the evidence that you feel you have that contradicts the evidence that science has. Being that the topic would be yours people would have to abide by the forum rules and stay within that line of thought.

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Vacate
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Message 153 of 303 (405067)
06-11-2007 2:06 AM
Reply to: Message 151 by simple
06-11-2007 1:20 AM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
On the contrary, I have no need to prove what is well known.
Does this mean you refuse to present the evidence you promised?
The reason you have no evidence is because you ignore it.
Ahh, but when RAZD provided a piece of evidence you chose to ignore it. You also have refused to take part in any other thread and provide evidence to back up your claims.
What position? That there is no God??? I thought you just said there was no evidence? Make up your mind.
This is being blatantly dishonest.

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Vacate
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Message 226 of 303 (405277)
06-12-2007 2:36 AM
Reply to: Message 210 by simple
06-12-2007 1:10 AM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
keys writes:
If you claimed that was science, why, then we might ask you to give more than a claim.
Its no wonder then that when you claim that the Earth is 6000 years old and there was a global flood we ask you to give more than a claim.
But then the best you can offer is this:
I know for reasons in my life, as millions of others do.
Faith in God should not demand a denial of evidence. Millions of denials do not make it right.
Does majority opinion make truth? You keep asserting this as if you truly believe it.
The topic is not me, it is museums.
Not any museum however, or you would not have so many people attempting to debate the issue while you dodge. The museum in question is trying to tell the public that the Earth is only 6000 years old and there was a global flood. You can post a picture of an empty cave and suddenly its about "faith". As you can see so far in this thread the major issue that many of us have is not about an empty cave.

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Vacate
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Message 233 of 303 (405284)
06-12-2007 3:51 AM
Reply to: Message 228 by simple
06-12-2007 2:56 AM


Re: BeingChristian does not mean you must remain ignorant.
No idea why you slap unrelated thoughts together, pretending they form a point.
okay, let me explain.
Rahvin writes:
"The way we know...is not by your limited science." So how DO you know? What is the evidence that caused your belief? I've asked at least three times now. Stop dodging.
To wich you answered:
I know for reasons in my life, as millions of others do.
From the start of this thread you have asked to provide evidence for your denial of the scientific evidence that shows your belief in creation science is incorrect. You where asked what evidence you have for your belief - and you asnwered as such. This is not an unrealted thought and I am pretending nothing.
I believe a certain timespan, and you believe a certain one. I don't recall someone asking me to prove the flood here? If they did, again that is a big topic. The evidence in my life, and others mentioned was for a spiritual, and a God. One needs not do better than that.
I believe in a timespan that is supported by evidence. You may not have been asked to prove the flood directly, but since you support YEC and a direct interpetation of the bible I think it can be safe to assume there are many here who want you to show the evidence. The "evidence" you have to support your belief is spiritual and you think this somehow trumps physical evidence? Please explain.
I deny nothing
You dont address anything either. Do you deny the Earth is older than YEC claims? Do you deny that this museum is attempting to convince the public the Earth is 6000 years old?
it seems you deny that we realize there is a spiritual
Show me where I said that. I said nothing of the sort.
vacate writes:
As you can see so far in this thread the major issue that many of us have is not about an empty cave.
No, I don't see that. If one saw that these museums included more than just the natural, whay would the flood be a problem?
You must not have been reading. Each and every person who has posted has a problem that you have apparently not seen. The issue with the museum is not about faith in God, Jesus, or spirituality - the issue is combining these elements of faith with a denial of evidence. The "flood" is a major problem; it left no evidence.

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