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Karl
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Message 12 of 152 (30666)
01-30-2003 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by drummachine
01-30-2003 1:52 AM


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I would ask someone who believes in evolution for a simple proof. Not a long scientific statement
Sorry. Science doesn't do proof.
However...
The human genome contains the gene for synthesizing vitamin C. However, it is broken and doesn't work, which is why we need to have it in our diet.
We share this broken gene with the great apes, but not with other animals. Cats and dogs, for example, have a working version.
The evolutionary explanation for this is that we inherited the broken version from our ancestors, some time before the lineage between us and the great apes split. Before that, our ancestors' gene worked.
What is the creationist explanation for this? Why did God create us with this not quite working gene? Why did He give a gene with the same faults to the apes? Why a working one to the cats and dogs and mice?

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Karl
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Message 19 of 152 (30810)
01-31-2003 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by drummachine
01-31-2003 12:05 AM


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David unfamous,
How did I say I was better than anyone? No one is righteous. Christ died for my sins, not because I'm a good person. I do speak for myself. Let the Master touch your life and He will show He is creator. To have a relationship with the Almighty. This material world is a circus of deception that is passing away.
Yes, yes, all very good, but what has this to do with evolutionary biology?
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People think Christians are brain-dead and dont think for themselves.
They don't tend to think that of all of us. Perhaps it's because some of us do think for ourselves, whilst others parrot the PRATT arguments of the likes of Hovind and Gish?
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I know what He has done in my life. I'm not just reciting some empty words. I have chosen to walk with the creator for eternity and that by His grace, because I sin every day. Thats why I need His grace. There is nothing I could ever bring before the living God because we breath because He has given life and breath.
Well, you can give your testimony if you want, but remember it has no bearing on evolutionary biology.
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What is wisdom? Everything came together by time and chance or the infinite creator God created everything good and with purpose.
Is your God too small for these to both be true?
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IS THIS WHAT EVOLUTION TRULY IS?
There is no absolute. There are no laws because there is no creator. Everything was thrown together by time and chance. A faith of non-evidence. So-called science that changes theories all the time.
No. This isn't what evolution truly is. Now, are you interested in finding our what it really is? If you are, there are plenty of folk here who will help you learn. If you're not, then there are millions of other sites on the web.

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Karl
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Message 39 of 152 (31845)
02-10-2003 5:01 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by drummachine
02-08-2003 10:05 PM


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I believe you can be a Christian and believe in evolution, but I think that it is not consistent.
Why?
Christian belief is defined by the Nicaean and Apostles' creeds. Show me where either of those says that evolution did not occur.

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Karl
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Message 43 of 152 (32206)
02-14-2003 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by drummachine
02-14-2003 1:44 AM


Peddling Gitt's little diatribe drummachine?
Interestingly enough, I wrote a long rebuttal of this some time ago. It can be found here: No webpage found at provided URL: http://freespace.virgin.net/karl_and.gnome/10dangers.htm

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Karl
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Message 55 of 152 (32716)
02-20-2003 3:43 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by drummachine
02-19-2003 8:01 PM


Drummachine - I replied to your cut'n'paste job from Werner Gitt - why not address my criticisms of it?
Or do you not actually do debate?

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Karl
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Message 59 of 152 (32799)
02-21-2003 3:15 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by drummachine
02-20-2003 10:54 PM


Drummachine - do you think you could give your internal stylus a nudge - it seems to be stuck on the record.
There's a good lad.
Your posts are all the same.
1) Total ignoring of the evidence that you have had presented
2) Whine of "where's the evidence". You ask for evidence of early amphibians. So what is Acanthostega? What is Ichthyostega? What of Panderichthys? They are the evidence. Now tell us why they do not represent a transitional series.
3) Totally irrelevant tacked on evangelism of the "Oh feck, someone's about to embarrass every thinking Christian within earshot" type usually reserved for men with funny haircuts, banners and black floppy bibles outside Woolworths on Saturday mornings.
Now, how about addressing my criticism of your cut'n'paste Werner Gitt job? Or do you concede that I have indeed demolished it?

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Karl
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Message 124 of 152 (34848)
03-21-2003 3:34 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by drummachine
03-20-2003 11:01 PM


Evidence
A small piece of it is on this page, starting about half way down.
File Not Found (404) | American Association for the Advancement of Science
[This message has been edited by Karl, 03-21-2003]

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Karl
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Message 132 of 152 (34907)
03-21-2003 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 126 by Zephan
03-21-2003 7:25 AM


Clearly nuclear physics is also unfalsifiable because it can't tell us when a given nucleus will decay.
I'm not even going to bother posting a list of possible observations that would falsify the ToE because it's been so well done and well ignored by the creationist side before.

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