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simple  Inactive Member |
(The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy?)
The Star of Bethlehem has long been a mystery. Science has not found any star that fits the bill, of the time, and place that it was supposed to shine. I propose that the star was a flying saucer, based on some evidence from the bible. That would explain why it was not seen far away, and not a 'star' in the modern sense of the word. I propose that the word sceptre (whose origin is unknown, I think) was from this same ship, the mobile throne of the Almighty. Gen 49:10 - The scepter shall not depart from Judah, Nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, Until Shiloh comes, And to him shall be the obedience of the peoples. Ps 45:6 - Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. What about it??
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Well, it has to do indirectly with science, because there have been so called scientific claims that there was no star of Bethlehem in reality. Those claims are not supported if this was a star in the ancient sense of the word, which, basically meant about any light, or planet in the sky.
Therefore it can't be claimed that the star of the bible is scientifically inaccurate at all. Or errant. The source for God flying in a mobile throne is the bible. Not a theory. The application of that known fact of the bible to the birth of His son, can be connected by old testament prophesy. The sceptre was not to depart until after Shiloh, or Jesus was born. So we have the Suspect's vehicle make, and material. We have the birth of His son at a given location, and a mysterious light in the sky documented. What Father would not be close at hand forsomething like that? We also have angels singing in the heavens, another fingerprint of the mobile throne of God. (to the shepherds by night) We also have it disappearing from the scene after Shiloh had come. In fact, the last act of this 'star' was to actively guide the wise men to the very house of the young Jesus, with gold, and precious gifts!That establishes also it was not a star in the present day sense of the word. There is more. The star has to be something other than a star in the modern sense, because we know, by science, and records of the earth of the time, that there was no star there in the sky. It could not have been that kind of star. That was one reason why I thought of the bible accuracy area. It can stand up to any science!
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simple  Inactive Member |
Right. Is there some taboo about interesting topics here?
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quote:We shall see. It actually is well supported. quote:Of course it has, and, for your information, many attempts at trying to explain it have been made over time. For example.."PARIS (AFP-Jiji) Two thousand years ago, according to a widely accredited source, a celestial body appeared in the east and guided three eminent thinkers to the scene of an event that was to change the world. Since that time, astronomers and theologians have been baffled as to the precise nature of the star that, as told in the Gospel of Saint Matthew, led the Magi to the stable in Bethlehem where Jesus was born. Was it a miracle, a divine intervention to herald the birth of Christ? Was there a star at all, or was it simply added to the Bible to fulfill an Old Testament prophecy? Or was there some actual astronomical event that gave rise to the story of the star of Bethlehem? The question has intrigued scores of writers and artists as diverse as the astronomer Johannes Kepler, the painter Giotto and the science fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke. Now a British astronomer based in Spain has come up with a theory that he believes could lay the mystery to rest. ..."http://www.trussel.com/prehist/news174.htm Or even this UFO site bit.."Noted astronomer, Johann Kepler, studied this mystery two centuries ago. According to Vyacheslav Zaitsev, “scientists held an international symposium to discuss this matter.” " http://www.uforc.com/religion/AF-wa_UFORC_p40.html Etc. See, it has been and to most, remains a mystery.
quote:That is the common modern term, of course. If yo mean a real saucer, then that is not really all that funny. quote:If it was, please show us the records!?? "What was it? At least four theories have been advanced to explain the Star from a purely astronomical viewpoint. Possibly the first idea put forward was that it was an unusually bright fireball meteor seen streaking toward the horizon. But as most skywatchers know, such an object can be seen to flash across the sky in a mere matter of seconds hardly long enough to lead the Magi halfway across the Orient to the little town of Bethlehem. So we can confidently lay this concept to rest. Not so easily dismissed, however, is the possibility that the Star was a bright comet. Comets can remain visible to the unaided eye for weeks either in the predawn sky or at dusk. It is not impossible to conceive that a comet with a bright star-like head and long gossamer tail pointing like some cosmic finger toward the horizon could have drawn the Magi to Bethlehem. The famous Halleys Comet, last seen in early 1986, also flared in the sky during August and September in the year 11 BC. However, most authorities dismiss it due to the poor time fit. Although it seems unlikely that another great comet could have appeared nearer to the accepted time frame of the Stars appearance and went unrecorded, we can never really be sure. Besides, comets were viewed as omens of evil, such as floods and famine as well as the death not the birth of kings and monarchs. The Romans, in marking the death of the Roman General Agrippa, for example, used the 11 BC apparition of Halleys Comet as a benchmark. With this in mind, comets would seem to be wrong as the heavenly sign that would signal the coming of a newborn king. Exploding star Perhaps the simplest answer is a nova or supernova outburst: a new star blazes forth where none had ever been seen and leaves no trace for us to find in the future. Although their names imply a new creation, these spectacular objects are in reality dying stars, although they are new (albeit temporary) additions to the nighttime sky. The appearance of a nova is unpredictable a really bright one becomes visible perhaps once every 25 or 30 years. Going on this assumption, we actually should be due for a bright naked-eye nova at almost anytime now, since the most recent one appeared back in 1975 (not far from the bright star Deneb in the constellation Cygnus). Most bright novae suddenly and unexpectedly flare into prominence literally overnight, attracting the instant attention of sky-conscious people. But after several days or weeks of such prominence, it gradually fades back to obscurity. Even more spectacular but much rarer are supernovae; stars that suddenly blow themselves completely apart, briefly producing an incredible energy output equivalent to the combined light of an entire galaxy of stars. At the height of its outburst, a supernova can shine with a brilliance capable of casting shadows and can even be seen in broad daylight truly a celestial announcement worthy of the birth of a king. In our Milky Way galaxy, over the past thousand years, there have been four brilliant supernovae, in 1006, 1054, 1572 and 1604. Clearly, we are long overdue for another, though the stars don't necessarily play by any odds we might calculate. Although a nova or supernova is the most satisfying explanation for the Star, there is a serious problem with it, in that there doesnt seem to be any definitive record of a bright nova appearing in the sky during the time that biblical historians believe the Magi made their journey. One nova apparently did appear, bordering the constellations Capricornus and Aquarius during the spring of 5 BC. But the Chinese records, which describe this object, imply that it was apparently not very conspicuous at all. Perhaps a planet The final possibility is one or more of the bright naked eye planets."Astronomers Await a Nova | Space quote:Trying not too sound too know it all and preachy, does not mean I do not know what I am talking about. The origin of the word was not apparently a stick, more having to do with authority, and connected to the devine. "Sceptre(Heb. shebet = Gr. skeptron), properly a staff or rod. As a symbol of authority, the use of the sceptre originated in the idea that the ruler was as a shepherd of his people (Genesis 49:10; Numbers 24:17; Psalms 45:6; Isaiah 14:5). There is no example on record of a sceptre having ever been actually handled by a Jewish king." Sceptre - Easton's Bible Dictionary - Also called figurative by bible scholars in some cases, I would think, because they didn't suspect what it could actually mean."FIGURATIVE Genesis 49:10; Numbers 24:17; Isaiah 9:4 " Scepter (Sceptre) - Nave's Topical Bible - And, it seems, a good word to use instead of scepter might be "lawgiver" "Another word, mechoqeq, literally, "prescribing" (person or thing), formerly translated uniformly "lawgiver," is now generally taken, on the basis of parallelism, to mean "sceptre" in four poetic passages (Genesis 49:10, "ruler's staff" to avoid repetition; Numbers 21:18; Psalms 60:7; 108:8). "Sedecias - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - But, be it as it may, I said 'I call it' the Sceptre. You can call it a tomato if you like! I don't care. Point is, we are talking about the Father's Starship here. That is the point, not naming it.
quote:You seem to think that spirits are less real than physical beings. I don't see it that way. The spiritual ones just have a spirit body. Or, in the case Jesus, a spiritual AND physical body, as all believers will have. quote:NO!! The sceptre more clearly relates to the highest royalty of all. About all we need to worry about here is what refers to the Father, and what refers to the son! quote:Ah, an ax to grind here, have we?? Now, as I see it, the ancient prophesies may actually be referring to the Father looking down on the birth of His son. If we look at that verse in numbers, it almost sends chills up the spine when we see this, and what it could actually mean!!!"I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh:" In other words, it would take a while for Shiloh to come, and then, the Father would SEE Him, from up high, not near, hovering above. And that also explains the mystery of what the 'star' was!!! Astounding.
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The entire book of Matt revolves around the life of Christ, not the Romans.This is news? One of the most important events was the birth of Christ. That was marked by a star in the sky, seen by shepherds, and wise men. Not Ceasar in the sky with diamonds.
So important was this star, the starship of the Father, that your computer is set to it, and most calendars in the world!You are running on Sceptre Time, whether you knew it or not!!! That was where they tried to set the calendar to, as best they could.
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The records of the area were controlled by those that had Jesus killed, and the bible documents the fact they tried to hire liars to say He never arose, and other things. They were known liars, and no doubt their records reflected that. Much the same way that the defeated Egyptians of old likely purged their records of their abject defeat at God's hands!
Therefore, since the starship was a very local event there, it is reasonable to assume that the local records would be sure NOT to reflect that, except for the record of records, the bible!
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Tell us, then how much latin, and Greek were around when the scriptures of Genesis, and numbers were written?? Work on that.
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Can you show me where it 'rested' ON the stable??? You can't be serious??
As for your opinion of what you heard the wise men were, add that to the list of unknowns. Now, I never heard of this mithraic star you refer to. I have heard of the Christmas star, as have most people, I would think. It could not have been a planet or star, or comet, or etc. Not if you look what this thing did. That is the point.
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quote:Rubbish. WE knew, and WE had records coming out the keester. OUR records WE kept, and God kept, and they were not subject to the wily wicked ways of men. We knew just fine, we touched Him saw, and heard Him, and knew Him, and all about the events of the time. Secondly, Herod was not who I was talking about, if he was even alive when the official records of the star were expunged, if they were. Like the veil of the temple being rent, that was never put of the Jewish records of the time either. We have the records, though.
quote:Prove it. I don't believe you. quote:If you are talking about the topic, the starship of God, there is no evidence other than the bible, that I have seen. What is there to ignore?? Focus. If you are claiming some evidence show us. Otherwise, what is it you are talking about??
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OK, so the ages of the horoscope you think was the Christmas star now?
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Funny you add alien to something that God used to fly around in.
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simple  Inactive Member |
Nonsense. The long awaited Messiah had nothing to do with your whatshisname. The fulfilled scriptures of virgin birth, Bethlehem birth, and etc had to do with God promising stuff, and delivering.
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quote:Our records were eventually compiled into the bible. This is news? quote:Of course they would, the scribes and pharisees knew all about these things. quote:What other nations were there in Egypt, while they were getting clobbered??? Who do you think they wanted to hide it FROM??! quote:No need to prove the bible here, it is assumed true. You can assume what you like. What we are looking at is the bible Christmas star, and what it really was, not whether it really was. The only real evidence I can think of outside the bible, is the lack of evidence for the star, which IS evidence it was not a modern sense star!
quote:What in Luke do you think means that the star was not a starship??
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simple  Inactive Member |
I agree. The size wasn't, if I recall given in Ezekiel. Imagine one of these about 6 times the size of a football field!
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simple  Inactive Member |
No, the HMS Starship Sceptre. (First Class) Otherwise known as Ezekiel's wheels, God's wheels, the mobile throne, or the Christmas star, or the star of Bethlehem.
Edited by simple, : No reason given. Edited by simple, : No reason given.
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