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Yaro
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Message 16 of 22 (69330)
11-25-2003 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Lizard Breath
11-25-2003 10:28 PM


Also way off topic but if the individual you are enguaged to turns out to be the one you choose to marry/cohabitate with/or whatever you call a more permanent relatioship, I sincerly wish you the best of luck because in our world today the odds are stacked against long term relationships. We have 5 sets of friends who right now are going through divorces and last year my long time mentor divorced his wife of 30 years for another woman.
It's a hell of an undertaking but still very well worth it IMHO. Again, the best of luck.
Hey, thanks alot, I apreciate it.
I have no doubts that we will have happy lives together. Shes still in college, but when she graduates we will be moving in together, then we will tie the proverbial knot.
I dunno, I just know it's for keeps, we love each other much too much.

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apostolos
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Message 17 of 22 (69360)
11-26-2003 8:36 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Yaro
11-25-2003 10:46 PM


Yaro,
Just wanted to throw out another thought briefly. I hope you will look into the reference I made to Genesis in post #11. But also consider that this whole discussion, IMHO(in my humble opinion?), revolves around who gets to define things, God or man. If God is the authority and is responsible for defining what is right and not right in life, then it is understood from scripture, although we can examine this further, that He has made sexual interaction a part of the marriage relationship only. Let me know what you think, I will try to keep my eyes on this one.
And a request: I understand I am no administrator. I mean, I'm not even a full-fledged member yet. So I don't want to seem brash. However, given the fact of the topic, is it possible we could all agree to keep the language above reproach? My request is not mandatory, I just find the euphamisms a little bothersome.
Russ

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zephyr
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Message 18 of 22 (69367)
11-26-2003 9:13 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Lizard Breath
11-25-2003 10:19 PM


Re: Wow dude! Chill!
quote:
I like to inject humor into my posts to solicit a laugh but they make for easy targets if someone choses to start quoting them to look like they are taking some kind of moral high ground and paint me as a callous monk.
Speaking of "callous," does anyone feel like debating a scriptural basis for the masturbation taboo?
(sorry, couldn't resist that one)
I find the whole "Onanism" tradition utterly ridiculous. It sounds like what Onan really did was withdraw and ejaculate on the floor. More importantly, the actual sin described was his refusal to bear children that would not be considered his own. In all my years in churches and youth groups, I never really heard anyone argue or preach against masturbation explicitly. It seemed that the supposed prohibition was so ingrained that nobody even felt the need to support it. But why? Last I checked, nowhere does the Bible say that touching yourself is a sin.

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Yaro
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Message 19 of 22 (69383)
11-26-2003 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by apostolos
11-26-2003 8:36 AM


And a request: I understand I am no administrator. I mean, I'm not even a full-fledged member yet. So I don't want to seem brash. However, given the fact of the topic, is it possible we could all agree to keep the language above reproach? My request is not mandatory, I just find the euphamisms a little bothersome.
But lizard breath started it!!!
hehe... ya I agree.
Anyway, I looked up the end of genisis 3 and didn't find the reference concerning being made one flesh etc. If you could quote exactly what you mean, I would apreciate it.
And I agree that things should apply to "God's deffinition", which is ultimately what I am trying to get at. I do not think the bible actually defines anything about male abstinance, or masturbation. In this whole thread I have yet recived a biblical quote that says any of these things.
If you, or anyone, can provide direct reference to where in the bible it says Males as well as Females should remain virgins because of the reasons stated above (the bit about the emotional well runing dry, the sacred bond of husband and wife, etc. etc.), I would be much obliged to hear it!
I would also like to understand the scriptoral basis for the masturbation taboo. I want to look at both these things from a biblical stand point, using direct reference. I have yet to find this.
Anyone?
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Lizard Breath
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Message 20 of 22 (69403)
11-26-2003 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Yaro
11-25-2003 10:46 PM


Savings account
Once you are sure that you two are for keeps, start a joint savings account for emergency situations and try to add to it once a month. You'll find that in 10 years you will have a nice nest egg built to take a 10th aniversery cruise. The 10 year mark is kinda tough because that's the point where you really see yourself ageing and the dumb second guessings can crop up.
Also, take her on a formal honeymoon. I know many couples who put off the honeymoon because of money, always saying they'll do one in a few years. Trouble is, most never get back around to it. My wife and I still talk about our honeymoon, and yes it was expensive monitarily, but a very good deal if you look at it in terms of relational enhancement. If it comes down to an expensive wedding but a frugal hooneymoon, have a nice wedding but limit the costlies like big meals and bands, and spend the money on yourselves for a real awesome honeymoon. After the guests leave it will just be the two of you so show her where you see the best investment.

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apostolos
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Message 21 of 22 (69422)
11-26-2003 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Yaro
11-26-2003 10:26 AM


appologies Yaro
Being brief is not excuse for a lack of accuracy. The verse I had in mind appears in Genesis 2:24 but I have included verse 23 for context.
"And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh
of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was
taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father
and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they
shall be one flesh."
This is the first appearance of marriage in the Bible and a good foundation for what God designed that relationship to be. 'This' being the larger context of Adam being given Eve as a helper. I would like to again suggest that it is up to God to define what should be reserved for marriage only. The passage in Genesis is only one proof text, there are others (which I am hoping someone else w/more time will bring up). And then I would like to ask this question: Is masterbation a sexual activity? I hope you can see where I am going with that one so I don't have to devote too much time to being redundant.
I don't know when I will be able to follow up to this post seeing as how I have a couple of things on my plate right now. I will, however, try to check in over the next couple of days.
Russ

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Yaro
Member (Idle past 6495 days)
Posts: 1797
Joined: 07-12-2003


Message 22 of 22 (69423)
11-26-2003 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Lizard Breath
11-26-2003 11:25 AM


Re: Savings account
Hey, thanks Lizard Breath! Allways nice to get some practical advice from someone who has been there already. We are planing to have a simple wedding, and indeed a nice honeymoon.
But first, before all of that, I gotta find a decent job! Being a recent college grad ain't allways the easiest starting point in the workforce, especialy in the current ecconomy.

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