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John Inactive Member |
quote: Don't you find that to be a bit of a disturbing admission? I mean, equating high IQs with disbelief? And the converse? ------------------
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Chara Inactive Member |
quote:Well, I don't know about forgiven, but the Scriptures say that God chose the simple things of this world to confound the wise ... and as much as my pride would like to refute that fact, I know its true.
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: i don't think i did that, john... see, God's grace is limitless and "where sin abounds, grace abounds the more"... and i see chara responded also, and she can tell you firsthand that i am *the* most simple person she's ever met... not dumb, exactly, but simple
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John Inactive Member |
quote: It looks like exactly that to me, even after reading your response.
quote: So... are we equating high IQs with sin now? Otherwise, I can't figure out why this is relevant.
quote: Does that mean God chose you to confound the wise? ------------------
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zipzip Inactive Member |
I will chime in as someone with an IQ measured at the 99.9 percentile, and plenty of book-learning (neither of which have helped me much as a Christian, which is the most difficult, although fulfilling, relationship I have ever undertaken).
I take Forgiven to mean that the more confidence you have in yourself and your own discernment, the more likely you are to overestimate your own abilities and your own discernment. Which leads to a particular brand of academic with a healthy portion of self-confidence (some would say hubris or pride), standing on his/her soapbox asserting that God does not exist. Even while the child reading Proverbs comes across the well-known passage "The fool says in his heart, 'there is no God.'" Jesus notes that "...you must become as one of these [little children] to enter the Kingdom of God." In other words, I must swallow this misplaced self-confidence and pride and agree that I do not know everything ... and at the same time acknowledge that there is one who does.
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote:ok... well i didn't say it quote: quote: the higher the iq, the more likely one is to appreciate his own wisdom... that's all it means
quote: quote: God chooses lots of things for lots of reasons... edited to fix quotes [This message has been edited by forgiven, 12-17-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Hey, chill man. Just trying to figure out what you did say.
quote: So, basically, what zipzip said is accurate? That makes a lot more sense. You aren't talking about IQ, but pride. Pride tends to increase with IQ, but it isn't a direct correlation. ------------------
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nator Member (Idle past 2160 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Except that almost all of the academics I know (scientists) are the first to admit that they don't know all sorts of things. Science makes you realize how much you don't know. I have known some truly, utterly brilliant people, and they have all been quite humble and unassuming. People with too much self confidence generally turn out to be good actors. [This message has been edited by schrafinator, 12-17-2002]
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nator Member (Idle past 2160 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: I disagree. I have met far more arrogant idiots than I have arrogant intelligent people.
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Chara Inactive Member |
quote:In other words, you disagree based on personal experience? and I'm to take your word for that?
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David unfamous Inactive Member |
quote: I may be taking this too literally, but I see numerous Christians on soapboxes. Normally in my town centre, shouting very loudly and scaring young children. Don't recall academics doing the same though, and I live in Oxford!
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David unfamous Inactive Member |
quote: Then surely you have to accept not knowing whether God really does, or does not, exist.
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funkmasterfreaky Inactive Member |
What I was trying to get at by the IQ question was that I don't thinkt he majority of the world population is or ever has been extremely bright. Is that agreeable?
I see that the scripture is criticized frequently under scrutiny by more "intelligent" people. It was thinking that maybe God in his wisdom purposely had his book written for the more average mind? God seems to constantly lean to the simpler people, the weak. Even in the choosing of king David, David was the youngest, weakest, smallest of all the brothers and God chose him. Probably because people who think themselves very wise already are less likely to listen to God's instruction. If the bible had been written in great scientific detail then the majority of people would not understand it's wisdom. So it was written in such a way that those who were not as "wise" could understand it and that those who are "wiser" could see why it was written in such a way. ------------------Saved by an incredible Grace. [This message has been edited by funkmasterfreaky, 12-17-2002]
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Delshad Inactive Member |
Nice point, Imho I think you belong to the wise ones.
Sincerely Dilshad
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zipzip Inactive Member |
Fools come in all shapes, sizes, and IQs. Anybody who 1) thinks they know everything 2) refuses to listen to others and discuss things and 3) thinks much more of ones own capabilities and importance than they ought is a fool. That makes everybody a little foolish. But what I think is that big fools come along just as frequently among geniuses as among idiots.
Arrogance is another matter for another day.
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