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Author Topic:   Why did God forgive our sins?
Dave101
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Message 23 of 479 (469921)
06-08-2008 3:39 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by iano
06-07-2008 9:38 AM


A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
I respond to the answers given by Iano. You are to be commended for your understanding of faith and justification by faith alone as the only way there is to please God. Thank you for taking time to be here. I am new so have not read all you have to say but so far you are very clear on your responses. That is truly great. I see so much "Christian bashing" going on at this site. I made a long introduction the other night on another forum and it took the evolutionist folks about thirty seconds to condemn me and of course insult all things God. I almost never came back but for some reason had to today and I am glad I did. There is so much mis-information out there about being a Christian. So many are taught that it is a faith plus works environment so they never come to rest in the finished work of Christ Jesus on the Cross of Calvary and that saddens me. The guys here seem to assume that we are here to insult and condemn them when the real reason I come is to discuss Freedom, Faith and the love of God that is there just for the asking... I know it goes much deeper than that but people have to know that there is a day of reckoning for them should they fail to accept that wonderful gift of God which was Himself and His Blood buying entrance into His home should we want such a thing. Anyway, I am rambling now so will just say God Bless and keep in the good fight.
Being a Christian is simply a person that has put his trust in God to provide salvation for us because we fall short of that mark. Sin is real and is separation from our creator. He offers us sonship for the taking.... I just wish more would reach for Him. So many seem to blame Him for the wrongs of the world. If only they would understand that the pain and suffering is not from God, it is from our fallen nature. We are responsible for pain and suffering, not God. God offers us a way for Him to walk with us while we go through those times. I thank Him for this. Too many think it is His job to get us out of trouble. It's not. It is His pleasure to help us THROUGH our trouble... Well, here I go again :-)
Take care
Dave101
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Dave101
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Message 24 of 479 (469923)
06-08-2008 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by fjp8000
06-07-2008 7:46 PM


Re: What is God's purpose?
Friend, Just because God knows your final destination, even knew it before you were born, doesn't change the fact that it will be YOUR choices in life that end you up there. John chapter 6 says some very interesting things on this subject. But the end I want you to understand is that it is not just a "hope" of maybe getting into heaven if you believe in Him and the finished work of the Cross. It is a guarantee that His blood covers your sin and if you accept that gift of God then you ARE going to heaven. Once on the way you cannot ever fail to get there. This is why Jesus came, to offer that gift. He didn't come and start you on your way. He did it all. IF you accept the gift then there is nothing left for you to do. It is a gift. Freely offered to you. The rest is a question of condition in this life here on earth. Your position as a son of the father can never change once you obtain that sonship. It is a birth amigo, not just a choice. Once born you cannot become unborn. This is a bit off track but I had to put my 2 cents in :-) Eternity is a very long time. God is not the one who sends you to hell and then later the lake of fire. ... You are.

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Dave101
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Message 27 of 479 (469929)
06-08-2008 5:00 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Brian
06-08-2008 4:29 PM


Re: Not another one
My answer Brian is ... Yes except bullied, that was always my enjoyment. :-)
Funny thing is Brian, People have been trying to debunk Christ for 2000 years... Just never happens. I know that most folks aren't interested. I know most would like God to just "GO AWAY". Problem is Brian, He is here to stay. You should do some research into the resurrection.... It is one of the most documented events in the history of the world. Even Harvard Law who tried to debunk it ended up admitting that after all the hype, all the misinformation out there, If taken to court today there would be ample evidence to prove that Christ was risen from the dead :-) I don't expect you to believe Brian. I just state what I see as an event in the history of man that can not be refuted.... Not really, once you get past the personal wishes of the "debunkee" ... What are you going to do on the day you face Him Brian? ... The cool thing about truth friend is that it is truth even if you don't want it to be... By the way, I am not uneducated, I have degrees in both science and in surgical technology as well as certification in computers in the line of p.c. support specialist and help desk analysis. Perhaps the real problem is just as God says and that man wants to worship the creature and not the Creator? What do you think? Insults will get you nowhere Brian... Be nice.
:-)
Dave

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Dave101
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Message 29 of 479 (469931)
06-08-2008 5:09 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by bluegenes
06-08-2008 4:32 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
I was condemned for rejecting the god "EVOLUTION" I understand that it steps on peoples toes when I reject that kind of rubbish... See, in our fairy tales we tell our kids that a princess + a frog + a kiss = a prince.
Our friends in evolution would have us believe that a rock + time = a prince. The first fairy tale is much easier to believe. The other thing they did is try to impress me with their superior thoughts yet they had none. They just keep quoting a few places and people who have a theory. I don't mind everyone having theory's, I have a great "booger splat" theory but I don't expect it to be put into textbooks and treated as fact when in the end it really is nothing more than a theory. Of course, you probably go along with them now don't you? When is the last time you researched anything truly scientific yourself and made a conclusion based on YOUR thoughts and not some one elses?What has happened to science when you are laughed at for having an idea different than an established one. BTW my biology history extends into the area of advanced medical micro.
I just don't agree with flawed theory friend. It's ok that you go with the majority. After all, most do..... I still get to talk to God about ya no matter what you say. I think I'll talk to Him right now about you and Brian. I see a real need there...
:-)

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Dave101
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Message 30 of 479 (469932)
06-08-2008 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Brian
06-08-2008 5:08 PM


Re: What is God's purpose?
I make no excuses for God and why He did those things. In the end I notice that you don't really reject His existence, you reject your idea of what He has done and your idea as to why He did it. I don't think you have the right reasons as to why. However, you are right, He ordered the extinction of many gentile people groups. (Israel also had gentile beginnings of course with Abraham as a Chaldean). What He did es made horrible examples out of people who reject Him.... Tell me friend, are you rejecting Him too? You know the end result of that now don't you? Did something happen in your life to make you hate God? At least you do acknowledge Him, even if you do not like Him.

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Dave101
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Message 32 of 479 (469934)
06-08-2008 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:09 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
BTW, Human genetic research has proven that all humans came from ONE distinct set of parents. Who do you think these two were and how did they com into existence at exactly the right moment in time and at exactly the right place?
Someone wants me to ask this next question, his wife wants to know, ... if we evolved from monkeys.... why are there still monkeys? Just wondering...

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Dave101
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Message 34 of 479 (469938)
06-08-2008 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by Brian
06-08-2008 5:19 PM


Re: Not another one
Yes you are being nice :-)
I don't know a lot about Kent Hovind but I did see him debate at Berkley once. I can assure you that the ones he debated don't think he is "thick" He pretty well tore them a new one if you know what I mean. I also saw him debate a guy that wrote a book called "How to Debate a Creationist and Win" What we learned is that the guy really didn't know how to win after all ...
What is the date today? What year? What is that year based on? Does it have anything to do with Anno Domonie? (I probably spelled that wrong...) What does B.C. mean? Why are there over a billion misguided Christians and another billion misguided Catholics on the planet? Why is 95 percent of the human race delusional about the existence of God? Are you sure you disbelieve or is it a matter of something someone did to you and you blame God for letting it happen. By the way, we are all criminals in Gods eye Brian. That is why I answered yes. We are all prisoners of our sin and degradation. (degradation according to Gods' standards, not ours)
So, Whats really going on here?????

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Dave101
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Message 35 of 479 (469940)
06-08-2008 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:29 PM


Re: Not another one
Sooo... You are in Scotland? Or is that just an alias location? Tell me something about it? I was military once and my ship went to Holy Loche but that's all I know of it...
What is the main Christian faith there? Other than the Catholic Religion?

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Dave101
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Message 37 of 479 (469943)
06-08-2008 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Brian
06-08-2008 5:28 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
Yes I am, I just refuse to become tasteless and I have a very warped sense of humor. There is no reason to take science so seriously that life cannot go on and be fun. After all, what we think in science today as irrefutable fact, will tomorrow be laughed at as ridiculous and foolish. As humans we go through this all the time. We get to a point where we think we are so smart.... then someone drops a new hint and we find out that we really don't know much at all in the grand scheme of things :-) So tell me friend... why are there still monkeys if they evolved into humans? Or... is it really possible that we actually never did swing through the trees by our tails... ahhh... vestigial structures... now there is a great debate!!!

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Message 38 of 479 (469946)
06-08-2008 5:59 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by bluegenes
06-08-2008 5:46 PM


Re: Another boy with imaginary friends.
Do you think maybe thorazine from a person in a bunny costume might be ok? Maybe the bad man will go away then?
Seriously now, Santa is me, I have 6 kids... well, only one left now, the rest are moms and dads themselves so in a real way they are now also Santa... Funny thing, with all these santas... we all still only believe in one GOd... As for killers... how about that Hitler? Or Sennacherib or Nebuchadnezzar. All the family's of Khan or even Locusta the Witch, She poisoned a million herself... Hitler was a direct result of evolutionary thinking, the other two were pawns in that God thing you don't seem to like... What about all of the Archeology that supports biblical teachings? Are they a false science because they disagree with non-deity folks? What would it take to make you think deeply on this? Tell me about the rods and cones in your eyes and why they could not have evolved? Even evolutionists admit this to be a huge problem to them. I am not a Christian because I am stupid. I have studied much and weighed the evidence and it points to a creator friend. I know the idea is not popular, but reality very rarely is. I also do understand Brian's comment on truth going buth ways. I have, and continue to study everything as I see fit. I do not reject things out of blind ignorance nor do I accept them the same way. I know whom I believe in... Also, Brian? There are over 5500 documented pieces of evidence on the resurrection outside the bible.... Most from people of impeccable reputation who hated Him while He was alive and did not want Him to be who He claims to be or who the bible claims Him to be. That book has been around for a very long time and is still the number 1 book sold on the planet... Why do you think that is? ,,, more delusional thinking probably... Just thinking through my fingertips..

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Dave101
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Message 39 of 479 (469947)
06-08-2008 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by bluegenes
06-08-2008 5:46 PM


Re: Another boy with imaginary friends.
Do you think if I asked santa to offer you salvation from sin he could do it? I'm asking him right now....
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Dave101
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Message 41 of 479 (469949)
06-08-2008 6:09 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Dave101
06-08-2008 5:29 PM


Re: Not another one
Brian, I forgot to ask... your theory... what is it? Something along the line of us little people needing to be saved from ourselves so if ther is a specific group of people out there who have done wrong or just aren't really smart that they get delusional and come up with some kind of "God" need or complex? I would really be interested in this theory... Could you take time to tell me?
Thanks
Dave101

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Message 45 of 479 (469953)
06-08-2008 6:14 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Brian
06-08-2008 6:08 PM


Re: A Light at the End Of The Tunnel :-)
Falkirk! That's just too cool!!! This computer stuff is really great! I get to argue with a guy in another country!!! I love it! It is (or was) a very popular teaching that man evolved from apes. (or monkeys). As time goes by and evolution gets more holes in its theory these things get modified. A very famous evolutionist in Europe was asked why he holds onto this theory and his answer was "because if evolution is wrong then that means we are designed creatures by God and this would mean that we are morally responsible to that creator... and this to me is unthinkable". I really did ask the monkey question simply because a guy at work, when I told him of this site asked me to ask that question because his wife wants to know...

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Message 46 of 479 (469954)
06-08-2008 6:15 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Brian
06-08-2008 6:09 PM


Re: Another boy with imaginary friends.
Check out the British Museum of History for many...

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Dave101
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Message 47 of 479 (469955)
06-08-2008 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Dave101
06-08-2008 6:15 PM


Re: Another boy with imaginary friends.
Actually if I get another day off soon (1 in the last 21 days) I can compile a list of most of them and send them to you...

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