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happy_atheist
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Message 271 of 306 (159318)
11-14-2004 8:47 AM
Reply to: Message 261 by riVeRraT
11-13-2004 10:47 PM


Re: Please
riverrat writes:
Right, the moral and the act is the same thing.
I'm sorry, I have no idea what you mean here. Homosexuality isn't an act. Neither is heterosexuality. And morals aren't acts either. Can you elaborate?

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happy_atheist
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Message 272 of 306 (159320)
11-14-2004 9:02 AM
Reply to: Message 264 by riVeRraT
11-13-2004 11:13 PM


Re: Please
riverrat writes:
I also look at it like if I was a woman. Lets see, I am getting raped. If I scream, my attacker my kill me, if I don't I will get stoned to death. If I scream, I might get saved also. think think think..AHHHHH!
You're digging yourself into a steadily bigger hole here, and your commments get steadily more disturbing. So your justification for saying that women should scream if they're being raped is that if they don't they will be stoned. Therefore if they don't scream they enjoyed it and need stoning. Obviously a woman who IS enjoying it has ALL THE MORE REASON to scream, because if SHE doesn't SHE will get stoned.
You know what, I really doubt women who are being raped will be in the best frame of mind for logical and rational thinking. They won't be terrified at all, they'll be able to go through the finer points of game theory to work out the best solution for all.
Obviously the most sensible thing to do would be NOT to consider a womens silence as enjoyment and consent. Anyone who does is being irrational, unjust, unfair and just a little silly...and that is irrelevant of the time or the context. Obviously I don't doubt that people back then may have been irrational, but that doesn't make them any less stupid and cruel for it, and it certainly means we should avoid their values on this issue at least.

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lfen
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Message 273 of 306 (159406)
11-14-2004 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by riVeRraT
11-13-2004 10:49 PM


Re: Please
I wrote:
And reading your arguments rubs my face in how far the emotional irrationality of inerrancy will take someone.
And RR replied:
So how is it rubbing your face?
Believing in a world wide flood in the face of all the geological, historical, scientific evidence to the contrary is just silly indulgence in wishful thinking. Okay, I'd rather people didn't do that but no biggee if they do.
However to believe that a rape victim should be stoned if she doens't respond in a specific way is a law God gave to the Jews goes beyond a silly indulgence to something that is a willingness to conform to authority, and that I find very disturbing. It's what good Germans did with Hitler and is based on the same basis that virtue involves unthinking obediance to authority. It was at this point that I felt my previous indulgent attitude towards inerrancy had brought me to the point you were rubbing my face in how much injustice ineranncy will contenance, whether the victim is a rape victim or a homosexual the Bible is used as a basis to support horrendous acts. I'm not saying you would do it, but there are homophobes, racists, sexist out there who are to one degree or another supported by the attitudes of religous fundamentalist to act in ways that people did act 2000 years ago. We have made some improvements and to claim those old ways were the request of God is repulsive to me.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 274 of 306 (159407)
11-14-2004 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 263 by riVeRraT
11-13-2004 11:00 PM


Re: Please
I speak from experience when I say I would rather recieve a stoning, than suffer the rest of my life without knowing my daughter, that my ex-girlfriend has brainwashed to hate me. She hates me, and doesn't even know me. That hurts more than any stupid stoning. Years of pain and suffering. It still hurts even though I am now free of the anger, because I forgive her, even though she still does it to me.
There were times even that I would have prefered to be stoned to death
RR,
You are speaking of emotional suffering and it sounds possibly of depression. There are two inter relating sources of that suffering that is a response to an event in life. One is a cognitive evaluation that leads you to believe it's terrible and unfair and unbearable. The other is a brain chemical shift that leads to prolonged suffering.
I'm going to recommend a book to you, or any by the psychotherapist Albert Ellis, but this is very readable:
How to stubbornly refuse to make yourself miserable about anything--yes, anything! Book
Author: Ellis, Albert.
Publisher, Date: Secaucus, N.J. : L. Stuart, c1988.
ISBN: 0818404566 - Description: 215 p.
The thing is what you've said here seems to come from these assumptions:
Emotional suffering is more painful than being stoned therefore death by stoning is a mercy compared to living with emotional pain.
A rape victim should be stoned because death through stoning will result in less suffering than if she lives with emotional suffering,
This is a logical error that can be described as a clinical thought disorder and it can be typical of depression or the kinds of thinking that leads to depression.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 275 of 306 (159413)
11-14-2004 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 266 by riVeRraT
11-14-2004 1:25 AM


Re: Please
Its all BS. Anyone who professes to know the answers is full of it, unless they now the truth, the only truth, and thats God, he's the only truth. You know, the one in your heart. The true person you are. You know, you without all the BS.
How do you find him? One way is through the bible, you know that evil book with all those crazy stories from a time we know little about.
I put the emphasis on "One way is throught the bible". Are you acknowledging that there are other ways and traditions to knowing God?
The Bible like all things can be used for good or evil or neutral purpose. What I strongly object to is the proposition that the bible is the inerrant word of the source of the universe. Attempting to maintain that false belief leads to being forced to make convulted rationalizations for abandoned cultural mores and laws. Primitive patriarch societies had some inhumanely severe practises and the priests of the culture and those implementing those practises often claimed to be doing the will of the God(s). I criticise those who promulgate this base notion of literalness. I criticise you for accepting it without doing reading and research in other fields.
Believe in God and use that belief to improve yours and others life but be reasonable about it. You've given a long rambling rant that boils down to your belief that modern society is worse than ancient Jewish society. You've thought about this? It seems like the prophets were complaining about much of the same things in their day as you are complaining of. There were good and evil people then as now.
You write of suffering. I think Buddhism addresses the problem of human suffering more effectively than Christianity does, but I also think Rational Emotive Behaviour Therapy does a better job also. However, Christianity is far more wide spread in the west, it's very accessible and perhaps generally less demanding. You go to church, pray, and believe that after we are all dead God will make it all better. If that works for you then fine. But there isn't any need to use your religious beliefs to condemn or persecute others. Certainly in the history of the USA native Americans, African Americans, Jews,and homosexuals and other non christian groups have been far more persecuted than Christians, and often it was Christians doing the persecuting. I've admiration for the Quakers because they put everything on the line to HELP, not persecute, but simple HELP fellow humans who had been subject to slavery to gain freedom in Canada, while there where Christian pulpits in this country preaching on the bibical rightness of slavery.
There is much about modern life I don't like. I don't even own a t.v. which spares me much annoyance. But we have a greater problem from over population than we do with to many people dying.
My suggestion to you is to read some books on how to rationally managed your thinking and emotions. There are most likely some adaptions of these practises by Christian therapists even. But you are confounding your various emotional distresses and your beliefs until they make little sense at all except to communicate that you are upset.
lfen

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riVeRraT
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Message 276 of 306 (159458)
11-14-2004 8:36 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Rrhain
11-14-2004 5:21 AM


Re: Please
Oh, I already have but I'm too much of a gentleman to say them here. Besides, I don't think you'd like it if I spilled your secrets, now would you?
Your twisted lies are not my secrets, nice try, try again.
Women like to be raped, gays are child molesters, Jews are scared. Yeah, those are loving things. I can feel it all the way over here in California. You have such a warm feeling toward your fellow man and your heart bleeds when they hurt.
All BS. Thats not what I am saying, proof that you do not listen.
Awe3some, just awesome. It sucks when people like me can see right through you?
It sucks when even you lie, I still Love you.

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riVeRraT
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Message 277 of 306 (159464)
11-14-2004 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by The Dread Dormammu
11-14-2004 5:52 AM


Re: Truthfully?
No he picks on you because he disagrees with you, and you do not support your arguments
I have supported everything I said. His short answer is that I am a liar. Thats intelligent conversation.
Well, can you at least understand why someone who's homosexual might be just a little bit offended when you say that homosexuality is a sin? I mean you can protest and say "Well, we are all sinners" but nonetheless you are saying that something about them that they beleve they can not change is inhernetly wrong.
Thast just it, I have not said it is a sin. The bible has said it is a sin. I feel myself that it is not right, that is what God has shown to me. But that does not dictate how I treat a gay person, I still love them.
And if anyone tries to point out about how I am against same sex marriage, its not because I am against gays, its because I do not consider it a marriage. If there is a way for them to get all the legal rights, then go for it. But it is not a marriage.
Uh huh, but if you were alive 2000 years ago you would have stoned a woman to death for not screaming during a rape. Please explain how that is not judging someone based on their actions.
Lord I pray right here and now, that everyone in this thread would just understand the moral meaning of that verse, In Jesus's name, Amen.
You are saying that homosexuality is a SIN.
No the bible is. They are just asking what it says.
Isn't that intrappment? A gay person asks you, is Homosexuality a sin? You repond yes, and then they say who are you to say that?
I didn't start this thread. I did however start a thread that posed the question of why is being Gay ok. I did not get any acceptable answers.
Look, think about it this way, lets say we agree that we are both sinners. You point out that it is wrong to steal, and I point out that it is wrong to grow 2 different kinds of crops next to each other; When you get mad at me for trying to burn down your "unclean crops" I say "Hey it's alright I'm a sinner too." You would not be angry that I tried to correct you, though you might be angry about that too, you would be angry that I tried to "correct" something that wasn't wrong.
No, if I am to act like a Christian, I am to turn the other cheek, and forgive you, so that I can be forgiven. There is no freedom in being angry at people, or holding grudges.
Now you may protest that you won't take any actions against homosexuals but what do you think you are doing when you vote down gay marrage?
Its not marriage, thats how I feel, you expect me to change how I feel? Its like calling a car an airplane.
In this nation, people have confused the term separation of church and state to mean more than what it was originally intended. Just like you are doing with the verses from Deut. Marriage is from the bible.
I felt this way before I was saved, and after. This has all been diuscussed before, go and read the threads.
For it to be rape, the person being raped has to not want it, right?
Your starting to get it.
And then argue that it would be permissable to stone a rape victim to death.
I am not saying that it is now, but back then it was permissable to do it. It what was needed to keep the people in line.
There is such an easy answer to this, and that is don't rape, and don't cheat. Only bad comes from it, so why do you support it?
Let alone some poor woman who has had somthing unspeakably horrible done to her.
Thick thick and more thickness. I am a harsh Christian. There are times that I refuse to sugar coat anything for you guys. But that doesn't mean I don't love you.
The point of the verse, for the 100th time, is if she enjoys the rape, then its not really rape is it? You all have agreed with me, yet you think you disagree with me.
The devil has won the battle in making the concept of cheating seem ok to you. But Jesus will win the war.
It seems to me we just have had such a history of softening our laws to the point that people can now get away with murder.
You may think its not right now to stone a woman for cheating, but tell me a woman cheating is right.

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riVeRraT
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Message 278 of 306 (159465)
11-14-2004 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 267 by pink sasquatch
11-14-2004 2:22 AM


Re: ignoring the parts of the OT you don't like
That doesn't mean they are consenting.
Yes I agree too.
The Bible is one of the most popular and longest-lived books in the world and contains plenty of sex and violence and cheating
Yes, nothing ever changes like I pointed out.
I think my whole confusion about your stance comes down to these sort of statements you've made:
My stance is that I believe in God, and the bible contains God's word.
Why does it not makes sense for the present, but the morals are still in effect for the present? That doesn't make sense.
Because we need to see how the rules were relative to the day, find the moral, and then see if it still applies. Don't just go by the literal translation.
ou're right, because at the time women were treated like property, and it would be difficult to degrade them further.
Yes, but it wasn't considered degrading. Woman was created for the man. That does not mean you can mis-treat her. In fact in means the opposite, and God gets pissed if you do not treat them right. He won't even answer your prayers if you are mis-treating your spouse.
My response: A "wise and good" God wouldn't kill the victim along with the perpetrator of the crime.
Yes I agree. But from their perspective of the time, the woman was not a victim if she enjoyed it.
no midget lawers
What the fuck?!?!?
AW, come on, I thought it was funny.
I have a serious problem with this statement. To me it is like saying, I don't need to hear about the atrocities of the Holocaust to know Hitler, I know all I need to know about him from his good deeds.
I think the real reason many Christians skip the OT is because it reveals God to have an evil side capable of all sorts of atrocities, often for very petty reasons. At times He seems on par with a school-yard bully with omnipotence.
As long as you ignore the OT, you can be content to follow a "loving" God without paying attention to His history as a genocidal maniac.
Maybe or maybe not. Like I said Jesus is the most important thing to me in the bible anyway.
But so far everything I have read, and studied, there is an explanation for. Its all about knowing the times.
Actually through this conversation, I think I have revealed a plan of the devil, one that took thousands of years. I will start another thread on this.
I don't think you can just skip over these like they never happened and pick the moments that fit your worldview.
Me niether.
RiverRat, you do have to provide evidence why the anti-homosexuality rule remains enforce, while you throw out 90% of the rest of the rules of the OT.
It is NOT Yaro who is rationalizing here, it is you.
But I explained every rule that was presented so far, and it was relative to the times. I do not have a problem with the literal meaning of the rule for that time. I also do not have a problem with the moral meaning of the rule for this time.
Refused to eat ham and cheese sandwiches?
What about all-you-can-eat shrimp?
Refused to wear a nice cotton-polyester blend?
Stoned a farmer to death for sowing two crops in the same field?
Sacrificed an animal to God?
Refused to get a tattoo?
Refused to shave your beard?
Owned a slave?
Burned a girl to death for premarital sex?
Refused to get a divorce?
Prevented people with disabilities from attending church?
Had a priest poison your wife when you suspect her of cheating?
Sold your daughter to her rapist?
Considered homosexuality wrong?
You see all that, the way you put it, takes on a meaning different than what the bible means.
Where does it say you can't get a tattoo?
As far as ham goes, Jesus taught us it is not what goes in your mouth, but what comes out.
He knew that we would figure out how to make eating pork safe, because of refrigeration, and curing. Back then it wasn't safe, and a lot of people died from it. Thats why it wasn't good to eat it then. God didn't want you to die from eating it.
As far as any punishment goes, Jesus also changed that. He pointed out that a woman who was cuaght cheating was about to be stoned. He asked all those who were going to stone her, if anyone here is guilt free enough, or righteous enough to proceed with the stoning, then go ahead, they all left.
So yea, stoning a woman for cheating is ok. But who on this planet is righteous enough to do it. Not me. He made us realize we just can't do it, and we will have to forgive her.

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riVeRraT
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Message 279 of 306 (159473)
11-14-2004 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by lfen
11-14-2004 5:21 PM


Re: Please
I put the emphasis on "One way is throught the bible". Are you acknowledging that there are other ways and traditions to knowing God?
Well yes and no, I guess. You don't need the actual book, but the word of God can be preached and you can be saved, without reading the bible. It happens on a daily basis. To further understand it, the bible is a tool in doing that. God has been giving us instructions from day one.
But really all we need to do is follow Jesus's 2 commandments, Love your God with all your heart, and love your nieghbor as you love yourself. If we all followed that, we would be ok.
Primitive patriarch societies had some inhumanely severe practises and the priests of the culture and those implementing those practises often claimed to be doing the will of the God(s).
That still goes on today. Cleary you are smart enough to see that it is not from God. You also can see that is not a good reason to not believe in God.
I criticise you for accepting it without doing reading and research in other fields.
I agree with that. I continue to do research. That is part of the reason I am in here, testing my faith. I read up on all that is put forth before me, and the word of God has held up for 8 months now, and 1300 posts. No one can know it all. This is were I am at right now. I think (think) that being saved, and being in constant communication with the Holy Spirit, I have a good understanding of where God is coming from. It brings clarity to all those crazy bible verses that people take literally and out of context. It puts me at an advantage being filled with the Spirit of God. Before when I didn't have that spirit, I would think like you and a lot of others in here.
You've given a long rambling rant that boils down to your belief that modern society is worse than ancient Jewish society.
Incorrect, I pointed out that nothing has changed. Its in the bible.
You go to church, pray, and believe that after we are all dead God will make it all better. If that works for you then fine
Thats what the devil has everyone believing, but that is not how it is. The heaven is open for us right here and now. Jesus came down and opened it for us. The real kingdom of God is right here in this forum.
But there isn't any need to use your religious beliefs to condemn or persecute others.
I do not do that. But should I condone sin?
Certainly in the history of the USA native Americans, African Americans, Jews,and homosexuals and other non christian groups have been far more persecuted than Christians, and often it was Christians doing the persecuting. I've admiration for the Quakers because they put everything on the line to HELP, not persecute, but simple HELP fellow humans who had been subject to slavery to gain freedom in Canada, while there where Christian pulpits in this country preaching on the bibical rightness of slavery.
Thats just nitz. This world is so crazy. Knowing God, I do not feel that people who do all the bad things you speak of, and "claim" they are Christian, are in fact not really Christian.
quote:
Romans 8:9
You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.
This is truth /\ He is speaking of people controlled by the Holy Spirit, and slave to righteousness.
My suggestion to you is to read some books on how to rationally managed your thinking and emotions. There are most likely some adaptions of these practises by Christian therapists even. But you are confounding your various emotional distresses and your beliefs until they make little sense at all except to communicate that you are upset.
I here ya. I sometimes have difficulty expressing my thoughts in a pure form so that the message is clear enough for people. I am working on it. I mean well. Being in this forum, and talking with all of you has helped me a lot.
But by the same token, expressing the word of God, to those who have it so twisted, takes many writings, and many thoughts to be expressed and cleared up. We are limited by the speed of typing and reading and understanding.
I also notice people are so blanketed by the devils confusion, they could read an answer, then ask the same question again. Its like people do not take the time to comprehend it. Its like speaking before thinking about what you should say.

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riVeRraT
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Message 280 of 306 (159475)
11-14-2004 9:30 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by happy_atheist
11-14-2004 8:47 AM


Re: Please
You and many others are trying to compare the moral act of being gay, with the literal meaning of Deuteronomy verses.
The verses that speaks of a woman not screaming has a moral. Everyone has over looked that moral, for whatever reason.
The moral of being gay then, and now is the same.
The moral of a woman cheating on her husband, is the same now, as it was then.
The literal meaning is of no value when trying to understand God's will for us in the bible.
The punishments for both have changed That is because no one is righteous enough to carry it out. We are unable to judge, and punish, even though we still try.

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riVeRraT
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Message 281 of 306 (159477)
11-14-2004 9:33 PM
Reply to: Message 272 by happy_atheist
11-14-2004 9:02 AM


Re: Please
*sigh*
I am out of breath.
You are a woman, you are in a tent, there are tents around you with God loving people that would surely rescue you should you scream.
You are being raped, do you scream?
*edit*
I am not digging a hole as mush as you are piling dirt on top of me.
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riVeRraT
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Message 282 of 306 (159480)
11-14-2004 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 273 by lfen
11-14-2004 4:34 PM


Re: Please
The law is good by nature. We are not.
We are also not good enough to carry it out.

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riVeRraT
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Message 283 of 306 (159481)
11-14-2004 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 274 by lfen
11-14-2004 4:51 PM


Re: Please
No, its just one take on the subject but not the definitive answer.
The answer is that evil is bad, and should be erraticated, but we are not righteous enough to do it.
I am free of my suffering of days gone by, by the suffering contiues day to day. I do have faith in God that it will al make sense one day, and there will be victory.
I rejoice in my trials and tribulations, because I know there will be victory in the end. The sooner we give it to God, the sooner the victory. This happens to me on a daily basis.

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Message 284 of 306 (159488)
11-14-2004 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by riVeRraT
11-14-2004 9:45 PM


Re: Please
I am free of my suffering of days gone by, by the suffering contiues day to day.
Not sure what you mean. The suffering of days gone by is a memory only, but we can suffer from memories in the present.
Making a distinction between pain as a present nerve sensation, and suffering as the pain we feel mentally than in once sense most if not all suffering comes from memories, or better how we construe our memories.
lfen

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Message 285 of 306 (159491)
11-14-2004 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by riVeRraT
11-14-2004 8:36 PM


Re: Please
riVeRraT responds to me...wait...I thought he was through with me...why is he responding? Ah well, he goes on:
quote:
quote:
Oh, I already have but I'm too much of a gentleman to say them here. Besides, I don't think you'd like it if I spilled your secrets, now would you?
Your twisted lies are not my secrets, nice try, try again.
So do it for yourself. What kind of man gets you all hot and randy?
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Women like to be raped, gays are child molesters, Jews are scared. Yeah, those are loving things. I can feel it all the way over here in California. You have such a warm feeling toward your fellow man and your heart bleeds when they hurt.
All BS.
Oh, you're going to make me trot out the quotes again. Damn...I've been slipping in my culling of your quotes. I really ought to know better.
Women enjoy rape:
Message 248 of "The bible and homosexuality: Round 3" thread:
All the verse is trying to say is, if you enjoy the rape, then you are really cheating, and you get stoned.
Message 236 of "The bible and homosexuality: Round 3" thread:
If your wife doesn't scream when shes being raped, then she just might be consenting to it.
Message 216 of "The bible and homosexuality: Round 3" thread:
If a woman chooses not to scream it is a sign that she is enjoying it
Gays and child molestation and recruitment:
Message 222 of "The bible and homosexuality: Round 3" thread:
Before I even knew what sex was, I had 2 gay people try to get me involved in gay sex.
Jews reject Jesus because they are afraid:
Message 241 of "Is man inherently good or inherently evil?" thread:
No they do it out of fear.
The Jews I have spoken with are forbidden to even talk about Jesus. This order comes from their rabbi. They never discuss him, ever.
Message 260 of "Is man inherently good or inherently evil?" thread:
I have experienced this lie from a few Jews first hand.
I have worked for Moses, I have sipped whiskey from a silver cup in the cadilac of suka's, and told Jacob about Jesus, whoile his wife was sweating bullets, because of what we were talking about.
In fact, when directly asked about it, you admitted it straight up:
Message 264 of "Is man inherently good or inherently evil?" thread:
You claim that Jews reject Jesus because they are afraid and you have the gall to sit there and say you do not "pre-judge"? You have the unmitigated arrogance to claim that you tell the truth?
That is what I see with my eyes.
This has nothing to do with me, riVeRraT, and everything that you have said while here.
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It sucks when even you lie, I still Love you.
Is that why you condemned me to hell?
Message 142 of the "Religion in Government" thread:
Acting like a wise guy will not get you into the gates of heaven either.

Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

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