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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
Should Religion[I mean all applications of this word] be granted the authority or exclusive mandate to define morality, purpose, the
meaning of life, or other questions such as these, I got this question or idea off of my NOMA thread. Q. stated it in a reply. It is an interesting question to consider, and I wanted to see what you guys thought about it. ------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day [This message has been edited by acmhttu001_2006, 09-19-2002] [This message has been edited by acmhttu001_2006, 09-20-2002] [This message has been edited by acmhttu001_2006, 09-20-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
quote: No. Religion can appeal for support to nothing but the personal biases of its adherents. And with religion, those biases become infused with the force of God's will. That is a very dangerous combination. Human culture-- our survival-- is held together by moral principles, by what is allowed and by what is not. To pass these decisions off to an organization supported by nothing substantial is absurd. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: No. The Founding Fathers of the USA had set it up so that this wouldn't be the case, even though there are those now who want to subvert this and impose their religious beliefs on all through the power of law.
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gene90 Member (Idle past 3844 days) Posts: 1610 Joined: |
No, non-believers usually have moral codes comparable to those of religious adherents. As for 'the meaning of life' it is highly subjective and up to each person to decide.
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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
So in reply to you post, where do you think that the moral system comes from? Do not all morals come from some type of religion? Are the basic ethics based off of a religion? I am curious.
"Religion can appeal for support to nothing but the personal biases of its adherents. And with religion, those biases become infused with the force of God's will. That is a very dangerous combination." When you say God's will, you are meaning the particular deity of that religion are you not? The will of God being what the adherents would like that will to be? Am I correct? Please correct me if I am wrong. Regardless of the meaning, I do agree with the dangerous combination. It has brought much division and grief. Thanks for the post, look forward to hearing you replies. ------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
I wonder then, why we who are Americans, who are very patriotic after 9/11/01, do not remember the fact which you posted.
I have heard nothing short of the great way this country was founded and also the constitutioin [sorry mispelled] which is the backbone to our survival. Why do the religion activists continually forget that there is "separation of church and state"? Surely with everything going on as it is today, they would be continually reminded of this priniciple. I do not understand how anyone could forget this basic principle, it is like forgetting 2 + 2 + 4. ------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
I agree.
------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: It is because they mistakenly believe that separation of Church and State is only one way. That the State stay out of the way of Church. But what they don't (won't) see that if they are allowed to influence the State than it is the same as the State interfering in the beliefs of others. They won't see this contradiction, but what can one expect since they also ignore all of the contradictions in their belief system as a whole as a rule. [This message has been edited by nos482, 09-20-2002]
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John Inactive Member |
quote: I think people typically associate morals and religion causally, the former due to the latter. I thought the same until recently, when I realized that I had it backwards or maybe sideways. Both morality and religion come from the same source-- our ancestor's experiments in survival over many many many millenia. Individuals of any primate group will exibit certain behaviors which serve to maintain the group. Our morality is akin to these behaviors. It is nothing but human arrogance that tries to make something metaphysical out of it.
quote: Yup.
quote: Right. ------------------http://www.hells-handmaiden.com
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5054 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
If I connect the word dots, words: "granted" and "appeal" that begin this thread then what I READ is that $$ in question can not be afforded to faith based groups of any stripe and these assocations of inviduals can only have legal recourse throughout the court system. This is not fair even if my reading is also not fair. I would say then that even to try this as an academic double jeoporday class action is acitivity no person can loom even if it was possible to CONTINUOUSLY use both arms and legs which was once tried in GErmany etc.
I know I am harsh with only these words but I really would like to get to the threads you all use more regularly.
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nos482 Inactive Member |
quote: I get the impression that you are actually talking to yourself from most of your replies that I have read. [This message has been edited by nos482, 09-20-2002]
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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
LOL
------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
I shudder at the things done in the Name of God.
So religion comes from making morals metaphysical. Why do we need religion? Obviously it does not encourage human survival [persecutions and Middle Ages]. Would the world be better off without religion? We should have left it at morals, and not made anything metaphysical about it. ------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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acmhttu001_2006 Inactive Member |
How dare you try to conncect word dots that are not even there?
I merely posed a question? There is a connection between answer and question, but it stops here. In no way can two posts connect completly. You are very wrong to assume. "READ is that $$ in question can not be afforded to faith based groups of any stripe and these assocations of inviduals can only have legal recourse throughout the court system. This is not fair even if my reading is also not fair. I would say then that even to try this as an academic double jeoporday class action is acitivity no person can loom even if it was possible to CONTINUOUSLY use both arms and legs which was once tried in GErmany etc" I know what you are answering out of, as it was postes in another post somewhere. You cannot use personal experiences in a open minded debate. Then your position would be biased, which it is. I do not agree with what happened. But then again, you would use personal beliefs and not personal circumstances to answer this question. ------------------Anne C. McGuire Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors Chemistry and Physics minors Thanks and have a nice day
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Brad McFall Member (Idle past 5054 days) Posts: 3428 From: Ithaca,NY, USA Joined: |
The state of RHODE ISLAND in the United States of America had from the time of Roger Williams, if I have my religous criticism correctly timed and remembered instituted a *State* policy that there ^was^ to be --NO DOUBLE EDUCATION--; meaning that institutions of higher learning in the state could NOT duplicate the teaching in two different places.
My feeling is that you may have misunderstood this form of historical re-reading of documents. I may be wrong about it's intended application in truth about the seperation you speak, but with regard to any discussed principle whether on the National Level after Scopes or prefering to discuss this purely in its natural station and existing historical continuity this kind of State Law Prevents the Governmetn from forming a religous instruction by INSTITUTIONALLY seperating the people who participate in acquiring the teaching ( i did not say learning). This is not necesarily about HOW the teachers learnt what was taught. But the net provides a means, OUTSIDE, the legal stripes of any such accusation TO discuss both and to double both if possible but what I see happening is that evolution gets myred into the same discussion I had BEFORE i talked with friends about snakes about evolution my grandad said to me ONE day while Creationism IS able to re-iterate its own creation AND THIS PRECISIELY BECAUSE INSTIUTIONALLY THEY HAVE BEEN IF NOT LEGALLY ACUTALLY taken out of the educational system. Those who think they can use the Unix of Net WEbs to erase inthe same sense are indeed mistaken but this does not mean they can not maintain some raw material captial able to NOt keep the state variable in state but WE DO NOT HAVE techonolgy desgined for (other) side so, 1/2 is not a squared number. Anne, please do understand that using the word "state" in this sense may be inviolation of "interstate commerce" but I am not judge and jury. And as for the rossetee stone I would have had to spend a couple hours preparing a post for which it does not seem that you need much of my encourgment. If only other c/e posters were not the parasites I once was.
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