Religion Mandating Life

Dear Nos,You say:
Excuse or not, it still got the people to fight. "For God and country!!" "God Bless America!" "One Nation Under God!", etc.I say:
What god? The god of money?Religion was mostly madeup to gain control and power and to exploit other's needs for an answer to this end. It has always been about power. Preaching love and forgiveness is just the bait on the hook. It helps so much when the suckers actually believe it. You can convinces some to even crash planes into buildings.I say:
Religion has been and still is abused by the men in power.
Maybe it got the illiterate to fight, the ones who are kept dumb. Not the people who read the word.Peter

Originally posted by peter borger:What god? The god of money?The god your conditioning tells you to worship.Religion has been and still is abused by the men in power.That is why they invented it. It is a tool and always has been.Maybe it got the illiterate to fight, the ones who are kept dumb. Not the people who read the word.Please, an illiterate wouldn't have been able to qualify to fly an airplane. The so-called word is taken from fairy tales, and added a little history. Only the gullible would take it for anything else. Apparently normal and intelligent people can fall for this sort of thing as well, it is called compartmentalization.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-27-2002]

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Originally posted by leekim:
I am well aware of Mr. Jefferson's and Adams' "take" on religion and it's role, or lack thereof, but they were only two of the infamous "founding fathers" and therefore not dispositive of the group as a whole. If you read my prior post (which I reasonably assume you did because you responded to it), I indicated "the vast majority" of the ff, not the entirety...

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Do you have evidence of that the majority of 'founding fathers' wanted religion in the government? That some were religious is not disputed, but did they intend that religion to be incorporated into the structure of government?Secondly, refering back to the first post to which I responded, you made the statement that the 'founding fathers' did not want any one religion the take a predominant role. How can one introduce any religion without giving it a predominant role? This is the key reason for the SC decisions, in my opinion.------------------
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Okay just for interest,
Who decides if it is okay to keep a certain belief system and which one to throw away? What gives us the right to decide for all humankind?
Intersting thought, both systems will promote war. Think on this one for a little while. It is a enteratining excercise in philosophy and the laws of logic.------------------
Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

Thanks for posting. Agrees with this. This is what I was driving to in the previous post.------------------
Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

leekim,How nice to see you, glad to see you missed the point. You are right does 2+2+2 make sense out of its proper context? Of course not. Does taking the principles outside the magesterium of law and trying to force it on the magesterium of religion make sense, of course not. No on else has written on this point. This was to make a point. I do not hold with people taking other things from other magesterium without saying they are pulling it from that magesterium to argue with another magesterium. I would not argue in the Magesterium of Science with religious argument [ with the hypothetical situation of me being religious]. That is ludicrous. That was the point.Sure, yes I have read many documents that would support that view point of yours, but many of the founding fathers were not very good role-models. Ahh the beauties of censorship. How convienent it is for us historians. Let the people get what we want to teach them.Guess what no where in the Constitution will you find the word God. Find it, and I will be impressed. Seems to me somone has not done "extensive" study. Besides what if we did know more than you did? Ooooh how awful that would be.Be careful of the comments you make, people do not apprciate them and will sometimes retaliate.You have been warned. And, I never claimed to be an expert in law. This is one of my areas of personal enjoyment research field. So, if there are any lawyers out there, please give some citations about the separation of church and state. Best darn thing that happened for this country.Thank goodness they took religion out of school.------------------
Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

Hate to break it too you, but the vast majority were not religious. You can find this out in any standard history book or from their words themselves.------------------
Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

I believe that most religions are simply ways for other human beings to control other human beings. That would explain the wars and the religious persecutions going on.I say religion is bunk, all it does is divide, it does not unite which is one of its purposes. If it supposed to bring one closer to the Deity, I do not see how, for what I do see, makes me want to get the heck away from any type of religion very quickly.Do not want to have anything to do with blind faith.------------------
Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

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Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
Thanks for posting. Agrees with this. This is what I was driving to in the previous post.

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Yes, even though this is the truth they still work to deny it, because they don't want to admit that they've been gullible enough to be so willingly used.

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Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
I believe that most religions are simply ways for other human beings to control other human beings. That would explain the wars and the religious persecutions going on.

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I say religion is bunk, all it does is divide, it does not unite which is one of its purposes. If it supposed to bring one closer to the Deity, I do not see how, for what I do see, makes me want to get the heck away from any type of religion very quickly.

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Do not want to have anything to do with blind faith.

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Amen to that, Sister. Take the current war for example. It seems that the one's who want to fight a war and kill the enemy are Christians and many of those who don't are not.

nos482,And they claim that they are logical. I do not see how. How in the world can they lie to themselves? I proud to be an atheist.------------------
Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

Nos482,I agree. How else can we expound on this topic? I do not know the proper questions, but I am interested in what others think or how to continue this topic at a deeper level.Creationists puzzle me. In regards to the last post, they sure do violate the very nature of science, the scientific method. How sad. They claim to know science, yet they do not adhere to its very nature. Makes their side look pathetic.What do you think?------------------
Anne C. McGuire
Cell and Molecular, Mathematics, Piano and Vocal Performance Majors
Chemistry and Physics minors
Thanks and have a nice day

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Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
nos482,

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And they claim that they are logical. I do not see how. How in the world can they lie to themselves? I proud to be an atheist.

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Some would rather believe in a popular myth than in an unpopular truth.

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Originally posted by acmhttu001_2006:
Nos482,

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I agree. How else can we expound on this topic? I do not know the proper questions, but I am interested in what others think or how to continue this topic at a deeper level.

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Creationists puzzle me. In regards to the last post, they sure do violate the very nature of science, the scientific method. How sad. They claim to know science, yet they do not adhere to its very nature. Makes their side look pathetic.

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What do you think?

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Actually, what they believe in is not science at all, but pseudo-science. In pseudo-science if the evidence doesn't match the theory than the evidence is wrong and thrown out and the theory kept because belief and faith are more important than facts to them.The scarely thing is that they want to have their pseudo-science taught in public schools as real science "just to be fair". Next thing you know they will be teaching astrology, alchemy, flat Earth geology, and an Earth centred solar system "just to be fair". As I've said before science education in the USA is a joke and teaching creationism will make it a total laughing stock.[This message has been edited by nos482, 09-30-2002]

[QUOTE][B]I say religion is bunk, all it does is divide[/QUOTE][/B][QUOTE][B]Do not want to have anything to do with blind faith.[/QUOTE][/B]That's too bad Anne because blind faith is what you are running on. Tell me, what proof have you there is no God?