Moral Relativism

To some people yes, for example remember all of the poor Iraqis that some rich men just had killed and a previous group of rich men had impoverished, just to get at the pocket book and power base of another rich man.Hmmmmm. Were you for Gulf War 1, the following economic sanctions, or Gulf War 2?If yes, then you DO believe that in some circumstances ends justify means, even up to rich stealing from poor and murder.Indeed it seems ironic that someone calling themself "general" would not recognize most of society has found loopholes in morality for both theft and murder.By the way you said there was a moral absolute. Can you explain why the rich person in your hypothetical did such a thing, or how he would explain such a thing if there is a universal moral truth?If he comes up with an explanation at all, how do you determine the difference between his being immoral against the absolute rules, and his simply having a different moral system because there are no absolutes? Heroes in the Bible...GENESIS 19:1-8 & JUDGES 19:22-29: In both passages when confronted with a mob of men looking to violate male guests the "heroes" offer their wives and or daughters to be raped instead. In the first case the mob declines and Sodom is destroyed, in the second the mob agrees and the "heroes" get a good night rest before waking to find the corpse of the raped and murdered wife of one of the "heroes". He cuts her body into pieces and scatters her around Israel.God...EZEKIEL 23:20: God gets pissed off at some girls who have been whoring it out to people he doesn't like and so has them gangraped and murdered, and admits to his enjoyment of this.I suppose you can say that in no case has the protagonist taken direct action in the rape, but isn't forcing rape upon a woman just as bad?And I couldn't remember the passage off hand but do I really need to find the biblical passage where it gives rules for how to handle slave women you have caught in battle and want as a wife?I can only assume the girl's husband and or father was killed in that battle of course.... and so your hypothetical in specific is addressed in the bible as a doable, within certain parameters. You just let me know if you forgot that part of the Bible and don't believe me that it's there.Ah well, it's all relative.This message has been edited by holmes, 08-20-2004 04:06 AM

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Hey contra, I have NO IDEA who you are replying to, but it ain't me and my post. The quotes you put on there were definitely NOT from me.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

I feel I should point out that God's command is be fruitful an multiply. In the described scenario, the husband, wife, and daughters are acting against God's will in NOT allowing you to have sex with either the wife or the daughters.There is even a passage in the Bible where a man's brother dies and his duty is to go to make his brother's wife pregnant. When he doesn't he is in pretty huge trouble...So I am uncertain whether God would not find it worthy to punish the husband with death, and then the women with rape, while carrying out his overriding orders in THAT particular instance.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)

Now doesn't that very statement raise the possibility that the God people pray to and relate with, through Jesus Christ, again the same Deity... has shown them no behavior to condemn gays and gambling and adultery and prostitution?I note this only because you had mentioned them as condemnable in another reply to me, yet some gays etc etc claim the same moral leeway and acceptance (ie moral system) you just availed yourself to here.In particular you condemned Prostitution, which Jesus definitely used as an example for people NOT to condemn.Anyway, with what you have just outlined... different worldview gives different morality of God, yet still is the same God... is about as close to the definition of moral relativism as I think one can get.

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holmes
"...what a fool believes he sees, no wise man has the power to reason away.."(D. Bros)