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Topic: Harm in Homosexuality?
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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The Dread Dormammu writes: I would like someone to explain why God forbids Homosexuality. Christians argue that God does forbid it, but I want to know why. The answer to this question is and always will be the same. That you want to accept it is another matter. God forbids homosexuality because that kind of conduct goes against the natural use of our body as stated specifically in Romans 1 - 26,27. If the purpose of God was for us to be homosexual he either would of have created just men or just women and some natural method of asexual reproduction would exist for humans, or second he just wouldn't have said anything at all on the subject, indirectly saying to us that homesexuality was not important to him or that it is allowed. It's an incorrect use of our body's parts. A gas tank is made with the purpose of storing gas. So why the heck are you gonna use it as a dog house. Our shit hole has one single purpose, to take a crap. I apologize for my language but its the simplest way of saying it and everybody understands it. WHY IT IS HARMFULL.[/qs] I guess AIDS are harmfull enough. But then again thats just me.
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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pink sasquatch writes: Homosexuality and anal sex are not the same thing. You are absolutely right. But still, its a big part of it.
pink sasquatch writes: It is like saying heterosexuality is wrong because some heterosexual couples choose to have oral sex - that's not what a mouth is "made for", either. That they get pleasure from it doesn't make it right either. Go ahead and give oral sex to a sick (many times they are sick without appearing it) person and wait and see what will happen to your mouth.
pink sasquatch writes: You can't equate an infectious disease with sexual orientation, especially one like HIV where the vast, vast majority of infected people are heterosexual. On what stats do you base this. Remember that there are other ways of getting infected outside of sex.
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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Re: READ THE FRICIN POSTS!
The Dread Dormammu writes: Why is doing something "unnatural" wrong? What are your criteria for deturmining what is and isn't unatural? Is getting a haircut unnatural? Becase, after all according to your logic, if God had wanted us to get our hair cut he would have had it stop growing after it becomes the approprate length? Is planting crops unnatural? After all according to your logic if god had wanted us to have feilds of crops he would have made them grow like that. My guess is that something unnatural is wrong when it harms you. Let's take smoking for example (for the record I dont have anything against smokers or homosexuals). It's unnatural because it is not something your body needs like eating,sleeping etc. Its wrong because it affects your health in different ways especially your breathing system. The vast mayority of males I know that have HIV were infected through homosexual sex or drug addiction. Both of them (homosexual sex and drug addiction) are unnatural and therefore wrong because your body is being harmed as a result of such actions. When it comes to taking a haircut or planting crops; are they unnatural? Maybe. Are they wrong? Unless youre clumbsy and cut your ears off with the clippers or you harvest poisonous plants or drugs that harm your body no they aren't.
The Dread Dormammu writes: That unnatural things are also immoral These days it appears to me that morality is different from person to person. So I ain't gonna waste my time.
The Dread Dormammu writes: If I wear glasses am I donig something immoral becase I am using the bridge of my nose and the tops of my ears to do something they "weren't intended for". As I said before the moral aspect is irrelevant here the question is right or wrong. Yes-glasses are unnatural unless you point out to me a situation where someone was born with them. No- glasses are not wrong because they dont hurt your body. On the contrary it helps you.
The Dread Dormammu writes: I also notice that people who post Homophobic remarks on this thread keep bringing up anal sex in grapic and inaproaprate terms. Why do you have to resort to swearing? Why are you trying to disgust us? Why can't you use the proper terminology? I guess I am a bit homophobic cause i would have a problem if a homo touched me or said something fresh to me or look at me the wrong way. This has happened to me before and this is why they give me the creeps sometimes. I apologize again for my language. I recognize some people are more sensible than others.
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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Re: And another thing.
The Dread Dormammu writes: Well, why not. Lets say I have a big propane tank that I decide to turn into a doghouse, if I wash it out and clean it up so that it makes a good doghouse why is that wrong? Why is using something in a way other than for its intended use morraly wrong? Thats a good idea. Try it and it will prove my point to you. Youll find out that a tank will be a bad dog house when 1) The sun hits the tank directly. It will be most likely that the tank is made out some metal so the dog will roast inside it. 2) Winter time. If it snows where you live he will freeze. 3) lack of oxygen. Since tanks are made with the purpose of sealing one gas in outside gases or vapors wont get in and even if you make a big hole in it it wont be enogh for anything to live. So as you can see using a tank as a doghouse is unatural and wrong because your dog will most likely die or suffer injuries to its health.
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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Re: And another thing.
Lam writes: hey jazzlover, a word of advice. Think before you talk to people on here. You are embarrassing yourself. In my little island country the apropiate answer for a comment like that one is A palabras necias oidos sordos. Try and figure out what it means. its easy. Besides if you dont have anything valuable that would make a good contribution to the debate for or against my posture, just stay out of it.
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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Re: stats
Thanks for the stats. I didn't ask for them because i did not agree with you but more because I really didn't knew. Even though they are a bit out of date you convinced me.
pink sasquatch writes: The problem with all of the points that you bring up is that heterosexuals practice them as well - unsafe sex, IV drug use, and anal sex. Thus all of the things you list could also be used, by your logic, to describe heterosexuality as harmful. pink sasquatch writes: Again, you haven't given a single reason why homosexuality is "harmful", you've only presented misconceptions about an infectious disease and sexual practices. In order to find something harmful in homosexuality and lesbianism (if it exists) I need to know what is to you something harmfull. I can't go any further without knowing what harmfull means to you.
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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Message 198 of 309 (160941)
11-18-2004 8:03 AM
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Reply to: Message 173 by Rrhain
11-18-2004 2:29 AM
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Rrhain writes: Then I hope you are mute because the "natural use" of your vocal cords is to cough, not speak. If their natural use wasn't communication, why call them vocal cords then. Why aren't they called cough cords then.
Rrhain writes: And I hope you never use your penis for sex since the "natural use" of the penis is for urination. So i guess that we reproduce unaturally. Is that what youre saying?
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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Message 274 of 309 (162565)
11-23-2004 7:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 273 by Silent H
11-23-2004 6:32 AM
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Re: God can hate the sin but not the sinner
In mathematics it's logically impossible but we know human logic goes a different way many times. And God's logic is also different since his logic is based on mercy and forgiveness. He always has mercy and will always forgive anyone who asks for forgiveness This message has been edited by jazzlover_PR, 11-23-2004 07:08 AM This message has been edited by jazzlover_PR, 11-23-2004 07:09 AM
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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Message 278 of 309 (162783)
11-23-2004 9:46 PM
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Reply to: Message 275 by Silent H
11-23-2004 9:55 AM
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There must be some misunderstandig. I was supporting your position and agree with you that God hates the sin but not the sinner. Somebody stated that this reasoning was logically impossible (i think it was Ryhain). He based this claim on mathematical logics. I said what I said because human logic (and i'm not even going to go into God's logic) is not the same. Mathematical logic is not affected by feelings, beliefs, or any other type of bias but human logic is. Get it.
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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Itachi Uchiha
Member (Idle past 5640 days) Posts: 272 From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco Joined: 06-21-2003
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Message 280 of 309 (162792)
11-23-2004 10:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 279 by berberry
11-23-2004 9:57 PM
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berberry writes: Incorrect. Logic is logic, and it is never influenced, in any way whatsoever, by "feelings beliefs or any other type of bias". Prove it
Ponlo todo en las manos de Dios y que se joda el mundo. El principio de la sabiduria es el temor a Jehova
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