Perfection of man. Or imperfection of God

PerfectionFrom as far back as I can remember, perfection has always been given as one of the many attributes of God.
He has been given every title and name and adjective we can name.
He must be Good.Matthew5-48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.I have writen of the fact that we are born Perfect and that we are given a Perfect world in which to evolve towards the recognition of this fact of Perfection in all of us. Many have a hard time with this concept but coming out of the Perfection of God It must be so.Is this fact correct or am I reading Matthew wrong as to him indicating that we can attain Perfection while on Earth.Can Perfection produce imperfection?
If God does not create all Perfect then can He claim the title of God?Would He tolerate a Perfect machine putting out defective product?
Would He not end a lousy production run?This one attribute Perfection, gives Life to God or Kills Him.
If true then Eve had to be right.
If true there was no flood.
If true there is no Satan or hell.
If true then there are many more issues that will need revue.Regards
DL

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What do you feel perfect or perfection mean in relation to God?As I understand the use of the word perfect in the NT, teleios carries the meaning of having reached a mature state, complete, finished. IOW, someone being complete or whole, not lacking the basics. A perfect pie would be one that hasn't been partially eaten. That doesn't mean the pie will win prizes, but that it is whole. It doesn't mean no mistakes.In the Matthew verse the author is speaking of love. The idea is to be benevolent towards everyone and treat people equally. Don't show preference to one person over another. If you can manage that you would be considered perfect as God is perfect concerning how you treat others.In light of that meaning, we would not be born perfect. We are not mature, we are not complete.

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

Seems to me that Occam's Razor can be evoked here and that even a perfect experiment only needs to set up the minimal conditions to meet a goal. It is hard enough to get any reasonable let definitive definition of God, seems even more so to attempt any evaluation on his experiment. This is one of the reasons it is so easy to pull many Christians back in line with statements such as, "We cannot know his mind."

Maybe. What if this perfect entity is a perfect 'imperfection-maker'?

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Then nothing would work.
God would really be a looser then.Regards
DL

If God made us perfect then we wouldn't have need for God. God gave us consciousness and with it the ability to make decisions right and wrong.Nature is perfectly balanced but man is not.Can God be perfect if God created man?Edited by StevieBoy, : Spelling

Perfection does not mean the inability to evolve.I believe that we are born perfect. I believe that God can only create Perfection. Anything less and that gives God an imperfection. This is not allowed.Since Jesus died for the forgiveness of sin, we are not born with original sin.If God is Perfect and creates Perfection, then we should be living in a perfect environment for us to travel the path towards Heaven.
Evil must exist in this perfect system as a guide to us to the good of the world. Eve then must have done the right thing, right?Regards
DL

Now allowed by who, god's parents? Placing limits on what God can or can not do kinda messes up that whole omnipotent thing doesn't it? Ever read Candide by Voltaire? That statement sounds just like something Dr. Pangloss would say.

God sets His own standards as far as I know.We see evil and call it an imperfection.
God looks at the evil He has created and sees the perfection of His creation.
When we see the same Perfection, then we will be closer to understanding.Regards
DL

Why would nothing work? Notice I said " perfect 'imperfection-maker'", not "'perfect imperfection' maker". In other words, what if God was perfect for creating this imperfect world we see today?

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Gosh, I never thought of the Holocaust as a positive good but I guess anything is possible in the "best of all possible worlds."I guess in this perfect world there is no need for things like morality, self-improvement, or critical thought on one's part. Seems like absolute passivity in the face of evil is what is called for, since evil is all part of god's plan for the greater good.If such an interpretation was true it seems strange that the Bible uses a Shepard and sheep rather than a Gardner and vegetable metaphor.

I honestly can't believe that you came back to start this again.I respect the fact that you are an individual and you are entitled to your views.Your idea is still super abnormally flawed. No amount of protestation about telepathy or visions will convince me otherwise. This school boy logic of perfect makes perfect is just silly.I believe that God is perfect. I acknowledge that we don't have the slightest idea of what perfect is. I think that PD's point about the 'wholeness' of perfection is valid. Things may be perfectly the way God wanted them.But we are perfectly able to make the wrong decision. We are perfectly able to use free will when we do it. It doesn't matter what Eve did. Get over it. We know we aren't perfect because we know we can do better. If God can't know this as well, then He really isn't God.

You didn't answer the question I asked in Message 3.What do you feel perfect or perfection mean in relation to God?

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"Peshat is what I say and derash is what you say." --Nehama Leibowitz

You have wrote of the fact we are born Perfect.Would you please produce evidence of this fact you claim. At the time of the rapture yes. You can believe anything you want too, you can say it as many times as you want to, but you cannot make it be true. God can only create perfection.But God did not create you.Your mother and father created you.God created Adam and Eve.Adam sinned.You are a descendant of Adam and you inherited a sin nature from him. I think ALL includes you.