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Author Topic:   Validity of differing eyewitness accounts in religious texts
mick
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Message 4 of 305 (201973)
04-24-2005 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Faith
04-24-2005 8:44 PM


The Koran fails the validity test on its paucity of authenticated authority for its authorship, that's for sure.
Faith, as far as I know there is plenty of documentary historical evidence establishing exactly who Mohammed (peace be upon him) was, when he lived, and what he did. To say that the life and acts of Mohammed (peace be upon him) are uncertain, is obfuscation.
To validate a witness report of an event of this sort, that purports to "see" the actions of Allah in the creation of Jesus, would need at least all the credentials of a Moses, but none are given of any sort at all.
Again, I am at a loss to see how Mohammed (peace be upon him), as a real historical personage, has less "credentials" as an eye witness than Moses.
There are 135 uses of the word "witness" in the Bible in the English language
A moot point, given that it wasn't written in English
The Koran is all writings in a complete vacuum of context
Faith, that is just factually incorrect. There is a long tradition of Muslim scholarship that provides context to the Koran, including writings by near-contemporaneous authors.
I wonder if you are going to focus on the Koran, whether I should contact a Muslim scholar to take part in this debate. I am not able to provide any documentary evidence against the clear ignorance of your post. But maybe if I contacted the editor of a Muslim talkboard or something, you could be thoroughly proven wrong.
Would you like me to do it?
Mick
This message has been edited by mick, 04-24-2005 09:17 PM

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mick
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Message 8 of 305 (201983)
04-24-2005 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by jar
04-24-2005 10:31 PM


Okay, I've asked some Muslim folks to come along to this thread and take Faith apart.
Mick

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mick
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Message 13 of 305 (201994)
04-24-2005 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by jar
04-24-2005 10:57 PM


Re: I hate that idea.
yes, sorry.
I mean to say that I would like to correct some of the errors in Faith's post, and I have approached some muslim folks with a request that they take part in the debate.
Sorry faith, I don't mean to attack you. I apologise if that's the impression I gave.
Mick
added in edit: I do think, though, that it would be great to see people from religions other than Christianity, and places other than the UK and US, posting here. It would lead us away from those tired arguments about the US religious right, which seems to be a pretty parochial but consistent feature here... But I'm sure I'm as guilty as any.
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mick
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Message 130 of 305 (202419)
04-25-2005 9:26 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by Adminnemooseus
04-25-2005 9:10 PM


Re: OK - Topic reopened
Hi admin,
I'm really chuffed that my muslim friends turned up for this debate. I'm learning a lot. Can we try to keep it open as long as decorum will permit? Although the tone is slightly agressive, I think the content of lots of these posts are very interesting.
Cheers
Mick

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