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Validity of differing eyewitness accounts in religious texts

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crashfrog
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Message 208 of 305 (203187)
04-27-2005 10:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
04-27-2005 10:11 PM

Re: God's name.
Meh. If it comes to that, you're all wrong.
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Message 210 of 305 (203193)
04-27-2005 10:36 PM 		Reply to: Message 209 by Faith
04-27-2005 10:34 PM

Re: God's name.
And ANOTHER omniscient one is heard from.
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Hey, I don't know anything about God, but when I see a whole lot of people who simply can't agree on even a single detail, you know what a rational person concludes? That none of them know what they're talking about.
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crashfrog
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Message 212 of 305 (203228)
04-28-2005 2:01 AM 		Reply to: Message 211 by Faith
04-27-2005 10:38 PM

No, that's what a person who doesn't want to make the effort to think it through concludes, not a rational person.
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How about you take the effort to think it through for once? C'mon, Faith. You show up here with these fairy stories that wouldn't convince a child, and you're telling me to "think it through?" Please.
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I did think it through, starting from the time I was a believer in your exact same religion.
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Message 219 of 305 (203341)
04-28-2005 11:00 AM 		Reply to: Message 215 by Checkmate
04-28-2005 10:26 AM

However, in order to to conclude what you have asserted a rational person will examine the evidence and facts
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Impossible, when the object under inquiry - God - has been deliberately set beyond evidence and facts; beyond the reach of empirical investigation.
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There are no facts to examine. Theists are very careful to make sure this is the case.
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04-28-2005 11:30 AM 		Reply to: Message 221 by Checkmate
04-28-2005 11:27 AM

But, again, since you are not famaliar to Islaamic teachings and especially may not have ever read the Qur'aan.
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Well, like most Americans, I really don't have a clue.
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But the facts of the existence of your god won't be in your religious text; it'll be in the world for everyone to see. What are the facts that substantiate the existence of Allah? Not from the Qur'aan, but from the world?
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Since this is not the case in Islaam.
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Well, ok, at some point I hope you'll open a thread and show us those facts.
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crashfrog
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04-28-2005 11:46 AM 		Reply to: Message 224 by Checkmate
04-28-2005 11:44 AM

The facts and/or proof of existance of Allaah is in the Glorious Qur'aan and repeatedly mentioned or referred by inviting mankind to think and ponder.
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Why would I believe the Qur'aan? Anyone can write a book. Show me the facts that I can verify for myself, not the claims for which I simply have to take the word of the Qur'aan's authors.
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We can debate both questions, but I suggest that we use the new thread for this, of Amdin Jar will be on our case for being off topic. Also we need to set few rules of debate and that would manily deal with evidence. What you say?
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Open the thread. Set whatever terms you like.
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