I really want you, or another of the Christan folk on here to explain to me the fairness or Justice involved in the fall.
Why is it fair or just that we as a human race, should suffer as a result of Adam and Eve's lack of obedience? why are we not in an 'eden state' and given the opportunity to individually decide whether or not to stay in that state?
Hi Crevo,
A couple of thoughts. The first is that, if you accept (for the sake of argument) that we are in a fallen state because of A&E's actions then you also must accept that a consequence of that Fall is skewed thinking on our part. In the sense here, a skewed sense of what justice is. Not a totally useless sense - just a skewed one.
It should be self-evident then, that we are not in a position to rely on our skewed sense of justice when deciding what is objectively just. In our closed system of falleness we might support each others notion (fallenly) and arrive, through much (fallen) consensus, at a fallen notion that the fall was unjust.
But if the fall, then we have no way of knowing we are correct. The Fall would guarentee that we would be incorrect. If we think the fall is unjust and know that we cannot be right then it follows that we are wrong. If we are wrong then the fall was just.
IOW: if the fall then we cannot comment on whether God was just or not for want of being objective when it comes to what constitutes justice.
When Moses saw the bush burn but not being consumed, he was curious. How can that be? And he approached it to investigate - only to be told by God not to come closer and to remove his sandles "for you stand on holy ground". This Christians position is "I don't know why it is just, but I know God is just therefore the fall was just. Such aspects of God's plan come back to faith - not intellectual working out (although there are many things to challenge and satisfy the intellect)
Not all aspects of Gods plan are open to us to understand: "Predestination (God will have mercy on whom he will have mercy) vs. God want that none should perish" is perhaps the best known of these closed areas where all we can do is remove our sandles and 'allow' God to be God
why are we not in an 'eden state' and given the opportunity to individually decide whether or not to stay in that state?
In wanting to know things that are the sole preserve of God you want in fact to have the same knowledge as God. You want to be like God in other words. Which was precisely what caused A&E's fall. You show here that you wouldn't in fact have done any better than them
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