God is cruel

Quit bitching.It was an honest misunderstanding.

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Facts are neither fair not just, they are facts

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but god has condemned us to this existance right?
so therefore god has condemned us to an existance that is neither fair nor Just (according to what you say above),

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The conditions that resulted in the facts as we live them, were brought on by decisions made by us and for us. What has God to do with them?
Adam and Eve decided for themselves and their off-off-offspring, and so do we. I see no condemnation by God. It would be God's fault if he had made them robots rather than self-determining humans.Do you know why you give Him the blame?

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I would say that disbelieveing god is a choice but lacking belief is not.

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Er...what's the difference?

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what about a new-born baby that has broken no law, yet dies of a horrible disease as a result of the sins of its parents ?

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is that just?

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or is it cruel?

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All humanity on this planet had no choice in being born. Birth happens. Upon this event begins a domino effect we cannot outrun. The child is innocent of the sins of its parents, but must bear those sins. Then we should probably not have children. To do so may be unjust and cruel.How you can determine that this is God's injustice and cruelty is beyond my understanding. From the beginning, we are endowed with the privilege to behave as we decide. Consequences are always ours.You see God as unjust and cruel, when it is really we who are.

Bingo! my point exactly. agreed again! now, who set this domino effect in motion ? (hint: three letters, first one is 'G') why ? who says that it must bear those sins ? who made this rule ? (hint: see hint above) are WE doing a cruel thing when we have children, or is the RULE-MAKER doing a cruel thing by setting it all up so that the children suffer through no fault of their own ? ?!? so you think that a baby dying of cancer is unjust and cruel due to OUR actions and not God's ?! what you're forgetting here is that we didn't make up the rules, we're just playing along.Let me put it another way: if I intentionally dig up a hole in front of your front door and you fall in it and break your leg, who's being cruel ?A) Me
B) you
C) the hole
D) other

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."

at which point jar asked"didn't someone command man to be fruitful and multiply?"

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

All this complaining about the inevitable consequences of our sins and attempt to blame it on God, but it is God who gave the solution to the problem. His word is full of advice about how to live so as to avoid the consequences you are talking about. Stop sinning and trust in Him. He is also a healer -- those who trust in Him and pray to Him receive all kinds of blessings, including the healing of all kinds of diseases caused by the Fall. He also sent His Son to die for us so we can have eternal life.

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what you're forgetting here is that we didn't make up the rules, we're just playing along.

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I forget nothing. It is convenient for the non-believer to post such questions only to deride the given answers so he can keep his ball rolling and hope for an outcome suitable to his ball.
Ordinarily, I would have terminated this conversation some time ago. Sometime has arrived.
You want me to say something I cannot say without becoming a liar. The answer is NO!

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Let me put it another way: if I intentionally dig up a hole in front of your front door and you fall in it and break your leg, who's being cruel ?

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I recently broke my ankle stepping on one of my grandson's toys. Was he cruel for leaving it where I could step on it, or was I remiss in not looking where I was going?
I was remiss and would be if I were to fall into your hole.Believe what you like and be happy with it. I'll do the same.

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All this complaining about the inevitable consequences of our sins and attempt to blame it on God, but it is God who gave the solution to the problem. His word is full of advice about how to live so as to avoid the consequences you are talking about. Stop sinning and trust in Him. He is also a healer -- those who trust in Him and pray to Him receive all kinds of blessings, including the healing of all kinds of diseases caused by the Fall. He also sent His Son to die for us so we can have eternal life.

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It is easier for a camel to go through the eyes of a needle than for the one with an axe to grind to find a better use for it. There must be scoffers. Else we would think we had gone to heaven.

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Then we should probably not have children. To do so may be unjust and cruel.

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to which Legend replies

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quote:are WE doing a cruel thing when we have children, or is the RULE-MAKER doing a cruel thing by setting it all up so that the children suffer through no fault of their own ?

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at which point jar asked

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"didn't someone command man to be fruitful and multiply?"

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That same someone also asked his first two creatures to be obedient. In case you can't make the association........don't eat of the fruit of this tree, is a request for obedience.

And that, in addition to being totally unrelated to what you quoted, is yet another example.Are you saying that it was wrong for them to eat the fruit, to disobey GOD?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Are you saying that it was wrong for them to eat the fruit, to disobey GOD?

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The same way disobedience is wrong in any setting. It's the snowflake that starts the avalanche.

Fine. So he tells these poor suckers before he lets them eat from the fruit that will give them the ability to tell right from wrong.Sorry, but that really is just silly.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I can, Brian! and we won't have to pay off Peter, either! I respect a good critical thinker! Are you talking about a communion with God? How one member of the family took the blame for the family reputation?

?!? ...and here I was thinking that sin and its consequences were defined by God and God alone (1Jn 3:4, Rom 3:20, Rom 7:7). How could I be so naive ?now tell me, who set up this sin / consequences framework ? just so that I can have someone to blame you understand. it's God who CREATED the so-called problem in the first place.I dig a hole in front of your door and then I give you a thin plank so that you can balance your way safely out of your house. Wow, ain't I good and merciful! I take it there are no Christians dying from disease then ?or is it that the ones who die horribly just didn't pray hard enough ?! that is so twisted on so many levels it merits a thread of its own.This message has been edited by Legend, 04-08-2006 12:12 PM

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"In life, you have to face that some days you'll be the pigeon and some days you'll be the statue."