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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
In the thread Who won the Collins-Dawkins debate?, Anglagard said:
History provides us with several examples of people who have claimed to be god, as opposed to knowing such pretenders cannot prove they are God. I Don't disagree that these pretenders he mentions are such. But I disagree that God cannot prove He is God. An imposter can appearently prove that he is not, so why not the converse? The question for this thread is: What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God? faith and belief?
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AdminAsgara Administrator (Idle past 2323 days) Posts: 2073 From: The Universe Joined: |
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
scottness writes: Im going to beat you to the scripture, this time! What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God?NIV writes: Phil 2:5-95 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God,did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death- even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place... To me, proof would be the inner realization that this man could so influence my heart and mind. An added confirmation would be if I saw this man influence and impact the lives of others. I suppose that if I saw a miracle or two it would also help, but David Blaine and Cris Angel also fascinate me, and I don't consider either of them very god-like.
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jar Member (Idle past 414 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
To me, proof would be the inner realization that this man could so influence my heart and mind. An added confirmation would be if I saw this man influence and impact the lives of others. The followers of Charles Manson would say the same. Charles Manson influenced their heart and mind. He certainly influenced and impacted others. So Charles Manson equals God? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Phat writes:
To me, proof would be the inner realization that this man could so influence my heart and mind. An added confirmation would be if I saw this man influence and impact the lives of others. I suppose that if I saw a miracle or two it would also help, but David Blaine and Cris Angel also fascinate me, and I don't consider either of them very god-like. Yeah, appearent miracles would not quite cut it huh?You'd need the whole package. What do you mean... preach-a-thon? This thread just asks a question that I don't think most think about. It's a rare attempt by me to let them stumble accross the answer themselves. Not that everyone really cares... and that is where confrontation becomes essential. Jesus was kind to the humble and resisted the proud. I know I have not emulated that with the kind of balance that earns trust and respect, but I am getting better by acknowledging each fall. We learn only by acknowledging our failings. And we forgive each other without question upon repentance. Phat:Im going to beat you to the scripture, this time! NIV writes:
Phil 2:5-9 5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God,did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death- even death on a cross! 9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place... You did good! Edited by scottness, : No reason given.
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Vacate Member (Idle past 4621 days) Posts: 565 Joined: |
6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death This does sound similar to Buddhism and perhaps Jainism. Though neither claim to be Gods or become Gods, I do see a similarity in the humbleness that both beliefs see as important.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God? Showdown. God and me on the street. I'll do whatever He does. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Taz Member (Idle past 3312 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
It really depends on whose definition of "god" you are looking at. The greek gods were fearless, powerful, beautiful, immortal, and "god-like" by all practical purposes, but they weren't at all all-powerful or all-knowing. Like the rest of us, they were eternally trapped within the hands of fate.
But on the other hand, how would you tell the difference between a god and an extremely advance alien being like Q from star trek? AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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quote: What is the difference? I have always preferred, as guides to human action, messy hypothetical imperatives like the Golden Rule, based on negotiation, compromise and general respect, to the Kantian categorical imperatives of absolute righteousness, in whose name we so often murder and maim until we decide that we had followed the wrong instantiation of the right generality. -- Stephen Jay Gould
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Taz:
But on the other hand, how would you tell the difference between a god and an extremely advance alien being like Q from star trek? That's a good point! God would likely appear alien, depending on the definition of God. Not that we get to define that though... If there is a God, can we tell Him who he must be? I had a conversation one time with a guy who was appalled at my faith. He said he was waiting for the aliens to arrive and answer a lot of our quesitons (a view I once held myself). I told him that I firmly believed the aliens already did show themselves, and we crucified Him! The look on his face was priceless! By George ... I think he got it that fast. We had a good conversation the next time I was there. The ice had been broken. I left him with a CD copy of Ravi Zacharius called 'The loss of Truth and a Proposal for it's Recovery'. I have yet to see him again and see if his thinking has changed.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
This does sound similar to Buddhism and perhaps Jainism. Though neither claim to be Gods or become Gods, I do see a similarity in the humbleness that both beliefs see as important. Well I never thought that other religions were all wrong. Most certainly they got some of it right. Is reflecting some of the qualities of God equal to being God? Who among us is all bad? But better still, who among us is all right?
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
scottness writes: If there is a God, can we tell Him who he must be? That isn't really the point though, is it? Your question was:
quote: Surely the burden of proof is equal for all gods, isn't it? If I have to prove to you that I'm God, then your God has to prove it in the same way. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
scottness writes: And to refresh my memory, we know what rightis ...how?
Well I never thought that other religions were all wrong. Most certainly they got some of it right.
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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5869 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
And to refresh my memory, we know what right is ...how? Because it conforms to our assuptions of virtue, justice, and mercy as realities to be found that are now lacking. Also, 'the right thing' should be true. What is truth? I like Webster #5 but prefer it stated this way: 'It is that which conforms to what actually is.' That was a lot harder to answer than I first thought. Darn little pacman anyway... why are you always running? You don't seem to get anywhere.
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Phat Member Posts: 18298 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
darn little pacman writes: And to refresh my memory, we know what right is ...how? Because it conforms to our assumptions of virtue, justice, and mercy as realities to be found that are now lacking.Phat writes: and how did we arrive at assumptions to begin with? scottness writes: Heb 12:1-2...let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us. What is truth? I like Webster #5 but prefer it stated this way: 'It is that which conforms to what actually is.' That was a lot harder to answer than I first thought. Darn little pacman anyway... why are you always running? You don't seem to get anywhere. Edited by Phat, : clarification Convictions are very different from intentions. Convictions are something God gives us that we have to do. Intentions are things that we ought to do, but we never follow through with them. * * * * * * * * * * "Atheism is so senseless. When I look at the solar system. I see the earth at the right distance from the sun to receive the proper amounts of heat and light. This did not happen by chance."- --Sir Isaac Newton
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