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Rob  Suspended Member (Idle past 5875 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: |
Talk about being on the same page...
Whaoh.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
You're still not making any distinction between God and me.
scottness writes: He would never speak an untruth. That's a description, not a proof.
He would perform miracles unmatched by any magician for the benefit of others and not his own fame. As I have already said, demonstrate those miracles and I will duplicate them.
He would help me see my errors even when I want to deny them. Give me the strength to admit it. Forgive me, and then die for my errors instead of me. Just more description. You might as well say, "He would wear a green tie."
Only God would do that. It's not about what He "would" do. The question - and I remind you that it's your question - is "How do you prove it?" You're the one who's demanding proof from me. I'm just asking you for a level playing field. Show me your proof and I'll show you mine. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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AnswersInGenitals Member (Idle past 177 days) Posts: 673 Joined: |
scottness (Lochness' younger brother) writes: What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God? Have you ever noticed that there are no internet forums debating the existence of George W. Bush, Barry Bonds, or Paris Hilton? All these people have to do to prove their existence beyond any rational doubt is to fart in a crowded elevator. Why is god so fond of this hide and seek game of his/hers/its? It would just be a silly and inconsequential game if the penalty for losing wasn't eternal damnation in the lake of fire. For Ringo to prove he is god, all he would have to do is drown every living person and creature (except for a paltry few), set a few billion people on fire for the sins of their great-great-great-great-grandfathers, and open a window in the firmament to make it rain in the dessert.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3317 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
AIG writes:
An extremely advance alien being could potentially do all the above. The alien could fire his phasor to melt the polar ice caps. He could also use his tractor beam to divert asteroids on a collision course with Earth's oceans, sending tidal waves that are 3 miles high into the continents. For Ringo to prove he is god, all he would have to do is drown every living person and creature (except for a paltry few), set a few billion people on fire for the sins of their great-great-great-great-grandfathers, and open a window in the firmament to make it rain in the dessert.
He could set a few billion people on fire by firing his photon torpedos or his omega weapon (a nuclear-like weapon that literally sets the atmosphere on fire... star trek voyager). If that's not enough, he could send a naquada enhanced nuclear warhead down to earth and set off a multi-gigaton explosion. The last part is easy. The alien could just install a planetary weather control system (star trek TNG and DS9). Such a system could give rain, snow, or sunshine to anywhere... everywhere on the planet. The point is anyone could perform any miracle if he has the right tools. I once heard a magician say that he could perform every miracle presented in the bible, given that he has ample time to prepare. AKA G.A.S.B.Y. George Absolutely Stupid Bush the Younger
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
There is and can be only one proof of God on earth and that is miracles.
Unless miracles are provided by the gross some will not believe. He would need to shake every religious and political hand and perform personal miracles before some will believe. His next visit from what I understand is the end of days. RegardsDL
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CK Member (Idle past 4154 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: |
quote: Miracles? there have been miracles? I can find no evidence of this.
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Archer Opteryx Member (Idle past 3624 days) Posts: 1811 From: East Asia Joined: |
From the OP:
What would a man have to do to prove that He is God, or equal to God? Know everything about absolutely everything, then freely and prolificly share this knowledge. This knowlege would include complete mastery of every language ever spoken or written. It would include every technological invention imaginable, complete with diagrams showing us how to construct the devices. It would include a complete inventory of the contents of the earth and every phenomenon in universe. Knowledge of that kind would be miraculous by human standards. Yet it would be the stuff of science at every step. All information the person provided would be potentially falsifiable. Each statement could be documented, tested and validated. The person would be immortal, of course, and remain on the planet generation after generation to provide daily evidence of this. When this person who is right about absolutely everything says he or she is God or is channeling God, compelling evidence would then exist to credit the statement. Even at that, you would still have to eliminate a strong competing theory: that this person is an alien of extremely advanced capabilities compared to us. I'm not sure how you go about eliminating one model or the other. Thoughts? ___ Edited by Archer Opterix, : HTML. Edited by Archer Opterix, : typo repair. Archer All species are transitional.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
I did not indicate that miracle were a reality. I was merely answering the question of what would constitute proof.
The Bible does speak of miracle and most Churches accept the reality of miracles being performed. I have no personal knowledge of a miracle, perhaps other in this place have. Lets wait and see. By the way was I correct in my initial statement. RegardsDL
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anastasia Member (Idle past 5979 days) Posts: 1857 From: Bucks County, PA Joined: |
GreatesIam writes: I did not indicate that miracle were a reality. Was is a miracle when you saw the countless BB's in flux?
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truthlover Member (Idle past 4085 days) Posts: 1548 From: Selmer, TN Joined: |
But on the other hand, how would you tell the difference between a god and an extremely advance alien being like Q from star trek? God would actually be able to defeat William Shatner in a star trek episode or maybe even actually hit him with a lightning bolt in a movie rather than always missing.
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
I saw the universe.
Those who believe in God will call it a miracle. Those who do not will call it nature. I see a large miracle in which I am. Smaller local miracles are rare and may only manifest at a mental level. Communication from God can probably be called a miracle.
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ringo Member (Idle past 438 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Greatest I am writes: Those who believe in God will call it a miracle.Those who do not will call it nature. This looks like a job for Occam's Razor. If the universe can be understood with or without God, then God is an unnecessary entity.
Communication from God can probably be called a miracle. How do you establish that the "communication" is "from God"? How would you distinguish divine communication from alien communication? Or from a short circuit in the brain? Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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BMG Member (Idle past 235 days) Posts: 357 From: Southwestern U.S. Joined: |
Unless miracles are provided by the gross some will not believe. But doesn't that contradict Jesus' teachings? Freedom of choice? To choose to believe or not believe? If miracles happened wouldn't that negate a foundation of Christianity? i.e. faith?
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
Wisdom dictates that we must indeed be careful of visions etc. All thing that happen in the mind should be suspect.
The reality is in the message and the provability that the message applies to something tangible. The fact that my message was not one of those, "repent to be saved" or "I come soon", bull messages, give more credence to it. As far as understanding the universe, we at this point in time do not know if we can understand the universe without God's help. This is still a work in progress for us. We can even say that we still have a long way to go before understanding the universe. RegardsDL
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Greatest I am Member (Idle past 300 days) Posts: 1676 Joined: |
I see no contradictions. At the end time Jesus will be competing against others for our souls. The use of miracles according to scripture will be there.
Part of Christian faith is based on miracles. How using them can "negate the foundation" of the Church is not clear or logical to me. You would need to expand that statement. We always remain free to believe or not these miracles. RegardsDL
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