Are theistic evolutionists really IDers?

Hey Rand - great question.I take some issue with using 'theistic evolutionist' to describe the group you are discussing, as evolution and universe creation are two very different things, but I get where you are coming from.Now for my thoughts.If a person believes that:
a) God created the universe
b) God created the universe in such a way that he knew man would evolve
Then I would say they are IDists since God explictly designed man (sure with a bunch of intermediate steps, but what's that to God)If a person believes that:
a) God created the universe
b) God created a universe that was condusive to life, but chose to not know how it was going to end up and that mankind is just what happened based on the initial rules God set.
In this case, they are not IDists since mankind was not explicitly designed but a chance occurrence.It all comes down to what did God chose to know. If we believe in a God that created the universe, that God exists outside of time as we know it. It/He/She would be able to see the entirety of the universe, past, present and future if wanted.You say: This is no different then a debate about free will. How can anyone possibly believe in free will? Perhaps THEY are not teleological and think, for example, God perhaps didn't even know what would happen.

They wouldn't. You are absolutely correct that the answer to this question depends on how you define IDist. I chose to go with what I consider 'literal' translation of intelligent designer; that is, a creator that knew what he wanted, designed it, and they either created it outright or created the exact conditions necessary for it to occur naturally.It unfortunate that the fundy movement has co-opted the ID concept and turned it into some anti-science position. From a philosophic position, the concept of an ID is quite interesting to discuss. However, now that it has this bastardized meaning it almost impossible to debate ID in it's 'pure' sense without evoking thoughts of something as inane as teaching ID in a science class.