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Message 33 of 256 (458256)
02-28-2008 12:20 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by iano
02-27-2008 5:10 AM


Once Upon A Time
Percy writes:
Say there were no Bible, no Qur'an, no Bhagavad Gita, no religious texts of any sort. How would we know just by examining the world around usthat there is a God?
Iano writes:
I don't know about the other texts but the Bible describes the world pretty much as it is: creation corrupt and groaning with mankind ravaged by sin and death. The Bible also indicates that man cannot get to God under his own steam so I can suggest no approach running along the lines you're suggesting.
He is saying that if there were no Bible, Iano...or that you never read it. How would you interact with God then?

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Message 53 of 256 (458475)
02-29-2008 7:59 AM
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02-29-2008 7:49 AM


Not sure which argument this is, but...
Percy writes:
Say there were no Bible, no Qur'an, no Bhagavad Gita, no religious texts of any sort. How would we know just by examining the world around us that there is a God?
Complexity logically requires a designer. I can't fathom how complexity would evolve from non living to living without intelligence.

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Message 70 of 256 (458531)
02-29-2008 4:00 PM
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02-29-2008 8:27 AM


Re: Simple designers of complexity
bluegenes writes:
Is that avatar of yours running around in confused circles, Phat?
No, he knows where he is going. (To supper, hence the running! )
God can be both simple and complex. there are no limits, after all.
God can be anything we are capable of imagining. He needs no logical explanation, nor a creator to create Him. (except, of course, our overactive imaginations)

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Phat
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Message 150 of 256 (458808)
03-02-2008 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Cold Foreign Object
02-29-2008 4:27 PM


Re: OP Claim & Thesis is now refuted
Its just that I am wise enough not to be swayed by a cult.
Anyway...getting back to our topic....
We don't know that there is a God, but many of us have a fervent belief that God exists. And we are wise enough not to glorify any human leader that purports to be our Messiah, either.

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Message 251 of 256 (461838)
03-28-2008 5:43 AM
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03-22-2008 4:32 PM


Meet The New Boss
Agobot writes:
People are irrational beings and as such should be controlled by the state, not by some horseshit, god-begging religion. A total ban on religions is inevitable.
Assuming that your scenario is plausible, why should we trust "The State" if people are irrational? Would not the members in positions of authority also be prone to irrational tendencies?
Its like The Who says in the song, "We Won't Get Fooled Again" :
Meet the new boss....same as the old boss.
Edited by Phat, : added title

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