Religion in Government

This nation was founded in the name of God. It was and is its freedom that allows you to "not believe in God"Funny, without God you might have never had that chance to "not belive in God"The real problem isn't God anyway. Its mans interpretation of him. If a man was capable of interpreting God's word wrong, then he is possible of interpreting anything wrong. So a president would be an idiot if he belived in God or not. Same for anyone else in politics.

More specifically, mans belief in him, led them to go and find America and make it free. The people who discovered America, did not proclaim it in the name of freedom, they planted a cross on the beach when they landed, and proclaimed it in the name of God. The site still exists to this day.
All the laws of the constitution were written in the spirit of God. Religion was to be sperated from state so that one person could not control both, because he would then have all the power. Gods word is not always followed correctly, and if it was, could probably end wars, or even better yet not even get started.
Slavery was part of the Bible, so they didn't believe it was wrong.
I believe God intended for there to be slaves, but not the way we know it. It was only supposed to be more like a job, not slavery. They should have always been allowed to be free.

Now you are just making stuff up.The constitution was written way after the first landing of which I speak of. It was then that they placed a cross on the sand, and said a prayer to God, proclaiming this land in his name.The constitution was written by Christians with God in their hearts, who were smart enough to not include church and state together. They didn't need to write anything about God, because we have the Bible which explains that.Here is a web-site with some truths about God and our founders.
Angelfire - error 404Here is a picture of the first landing site with the cross still there, now in stone.
Angelfire - error 404Here, some more stuff you probably won't read:
CBN.com - The Christian Broadcasting Network Not true, it was their believe that brought about the whole thing to begin with. The separation of church and state is not to be confused with God and state. Everywhere you look it is written:ONE NATION UNDER GOD.I wonder why? That has nothing to do with this thread, keep your thoughts on the subject at hand, and try not to get so emotional.For the last time, do not put words in my mouth, it dis-respects me, and makes you look foolish.

What was it they were running from? Looking for?Yes they were smart to separate religion from state. But not God.
In God we trust.

Its amazing that people would ever even dare to think that this country wasn't founded with God in mind.
All of our court rooms, and congress, and money has the words "In God we Trust".Thats my point, that this country was founded by people who believed in God, and tried to follow his word.
Its the people today trying to twist that all around and say that it has nothing to do with our country that are screwed in the head. They should state their real reason for not wanting to have anything to do with God, rather than making up lies.God has everything to do with this country whether you believe in him or not. To suggest that our president should not be allowed to have God on his heart because it would interfere with running the country is just so....(I don't even have a word for it.)This topic is pointless.

Jefferson was the biggest christian of them all. This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 05-30-2004 04:31 PM

Because God gave us the right to sin of we so choose.
They followed suit. I think you don't. Not all slaves were slaves by force.
But most were. Some believed they had to be slaves to a particular group based on beliefs, and punishments from God. It was of their own thinking.Just in case you are thinking that I think slavery is ok, its not.

No, that being a slave was a step up from what they had.
If there was a choice to be a slave or die from starvation.
Also a belief in God, could lead you to become a slave based on a punishment. Not by force.

WHAT? you amaze me, how you got that from what I said. lmao
What does that have to do with the topic?

You think slavery is limited to Africans, then your the one who doesn't know what salvery is, or the history of it.Any clue how slavery started in America?

This is where you got my thoughts mixed up.
It was a response to someone who mentioned about slavery and the bible.
My comments on slavery were never pertaining to slavery in America.
For which I stand totally against, and I believe the bible would support that also.message 11 He was using the fact of slavery in America as a reason for not allowing God in the government.
God allowed slavery to happen for a reason. I don't know what that reason is.
Many people suffer from God's wrath, justification, from following him, and many more reasons. I cannot give you the answers to why this happens, I can only speak for my own pain from God. For which I feel was justified.Therefor I cannot go on to say that because of slavery, it is not a good idea to have people in our government who believe in God.One possiblity is that slavery in America came from man, but God allowed it to happen for awhile. Why I am not sure, but it did start with man.Edited to add a thought. If God wasn't really on the hearts of our founders(like most in here are claiming), then that might explain why slavery happened?
I don't know.Either way, I don't see anything wrong with having people in our government who believe in God, or don't. There enough checks and balances for the time being that our freedom to believe in God is safe. Once it is not safe, then its just prophecy being fulfilled.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 06-01-2004 08:11 AM

So we agree there are many kinds of slavery?
Including being a slave to righteousness?
Or being a slave to sin?If so, why would you then limit my thoughts to one kind of slavery?

Then you are right, and I am wrong. But then so is the person who is trying to blame slavery on God completely.I personally feel as though forced slavery is against God's will.I will bow out of this subject, due to my ignorance, and lack of time to study it. I will say that, the way I relate to God's word, I would see no problem having people who feel the same way in office.

Amen to that brothers.I always have alot to learn.It is amazing how much ground the bible does cover though.To me God is love (among other things), love in the truest sense of the word.
Given that thought, I still don't see a reason for us not to be "One nation under God"There is nothing in there that says you have to believe in him. You are free not to, thats the important thing.

First off, I already admitted that I wasn't qualified to discuss this subject anymore.Secondly, God was not responsible for slavery in the U.S. It was started by and run by man, and it was a sin. Then man would be punished for his sins. God cannot be responsible for mans short comings, or manmade disasters. I would fight for the constitution and what the people want. Majority rules. Anything after that I would have to pray for. Don't go bringing that in here, it is off-topic. That thread was closed already. It is also wrong of you to describe what I feel, you are incorrect as you do not understand my stand point on that subject. I will not discuss it further.