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Hangdawg13
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Message 56 of 303 (111644)
05-30-2004 9:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by JCPalmer
05-28-2004 9:17 PM


As a Christian, I agree with Eugene Peterson. All religion is evil. It is driven both by fear and by a mysterious void in the human soul that must draw in purpose and guiding doctrines. Without such things the only question left to answer is, "To be or not to be."
Of course I am not classifying Christianity as a religion in that statement. Many have tried to make it one, but in doing so have rejected its very foundational principles. Satan operates under the guise of religion to attempt to destroy Christians, Jews, and truth. (Can you logically explain the world's present and historical hatred and persecution of Jews and Christians or fierce debate over truth?)
More specifically to your question, "Should religion be allowed/tolerated in the Governmental and Political process?", yes and no. The majority of founders of this nation were Christians and intended for this nation's people and government to be guided by Christian moral principles. One of those principles was religious freedom and self-determination. The combination of Christian moral principles with vast freedoms is as close to a perfect government one could hope for. This freedom also allows us to reject God and his principles as this nation is gradually doing.
In the 4th century A.D., I believe, Constantine tried to force Christianity on Rome mandating that everyone believe in Christ and the consequences were disastrous. Eventually, the pope gained corrupting political power and Christian doctrines were destroyed resulting in removal of freedoms (even the freedom to read the Bible), persecutions, crusades, and other atrocities. The Catholic church still suffers from this addition of "religion" to the faith.
Moral principles, however, can never be divorced from God's authority. Without the authority of God's word, our principles are subject to our own subjective determination. Anarchy quickly followed by tyranny is the inevitable result (as proven by history).
Although there's certainly nothing wrong or unconstitutional about Christian men seeking God's guidance in our government, or including references to God or his ten commandments in our government or public schools, in fact our founding fathers encouraged it and hoped for its continuity, if a majority of people in America now decide to remove God or simply do not care, there are only the fading voices of wisdom from the our forefathers left to discourage it. It is up to the people to either vote God in or vote God out of our Government.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the honor of kings to search out a matter." Proverbs 25:2

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Hangdawg13
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Message 65 of 303 (111861)
05-31-2004 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by crashfrog
05-31-2004 2:33 AM


Yes, I've read the dictionary definition of religion. I only place Christianity in its own separte category from all of the other religions because it is entirely different from all of the other religions. When human viewpoint and false-truths get mixed into it (like in 4th century A.D.) it becomes as useless and misguided as any other world religion. I cannot expect you to understand any of my reasons that I could give for saying this because you do not believe in it, so no matter what I say it will be foolishness to you.
Original Intent by ---- (forgot the firstname) Barton shows the beliefs of the majority of this nations founders to be devout Christians. I'm not saying their beliefs didn't vary (Ben Frankiln is a good example), but even the ones who were not strictly Christian ascribed to the principles of Chrisitan morality as it pervaded English society. Barton has the largest collection of original documents in the nation. He has studied this subject thoroughly. Any attempt to deny the very strong Chrisitan beginnigs of this nation is an attempt to rewrite history.

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