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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
quote: What if the question is asked differently, Knowing that in all the books of the Ancient Testament, there is no reference to the word faith as being spoken by the Eternal, Nor does it appear as being spoken by Abraham and all the Prophets, including all the names of the ancients that are listed in the book of Hebrews, then why does the word faith appear in the versions of new testament as if it was anything important?
The only reason why you have the word faith in the versions of scripture is because of the fulfillness of prophecy with regard to the mixing of a wine of rejection --i.e. adulterated copies of new testament-- which would have to be overflowed into the unmixed wine of anger --i.e. the pure eternal words as originally written--. There are evidences founded into the Rock of the Hebrews -- the eternal words of YHWH in the Law, the Psalms and the books of the Prophets,proving that in all the places of the New Testament in Ancient Roman Language, the word fidelitate --Heb. emunah-- i.e. Fidelity; constant permanence on remaining firm with regard to the giving of the right of precedency to the word/instruction of an Only One--, has been gradually substituted with the words 'fide' and 'fides' [i.e. faith] in the beginning of the centuries, as well as in the authorized versions of the New Testament in Greek and other languages. A true postman does not waste time speculating if you believe he is the postman or not. You do recognize he is the postman because he simply does what he came to do. So is every eternal word that comes out of YHWH, including the Living Word that became flesh.
but in case one keeps the question this way,
quote: answer: faith is very important to the god, because when the god is not present, then the only way the spirit of the absent god isn't an absent one, is to convince you that it is present through belief, like the dragon Ravab(Legion)--the father of the beliefs-- does. Is his/her god a present one?Presence totally dispenses with the need of belief, as it is said to the Samaritan woman: quote: When something or someone is present, it is not necessary to believe (to have faith), because you ascertain. And who ascertains knows, does not believe.
Therefore, a present Eternal Celestial totally dispenses with the faith. For if there is the Eternal Being present, you ascertain that presence, and therefore, you know that the Eternal Celestial exists, and it does not have any involvement regarding believing. To make one believe is the strongest ability of the deceiver. For the believer uses the heart alone, which exempts total SURENESS [to love with all the understanding]. This is the purpose of a false elohim: To make one believe and then leave the brain at the door, for no ascertaining is required when all one needs is to believe. The size of the seed determines how long it will remain on the earth without being consumed by the birds. In no way it will be consumed. For there is no bird bill that could grasp the smallest seed. Is it faith/belief (something like a religious purpose in the mind),or emunah--fidelity--(an action taken)? Which word is directly related to the mustard seed's duration--permanence time, if not the one that requires time to remain enduring permanenctly--constantly until the end? For the parable indicates that the mustard seed itself is directly related to its permanence--duration without being consumed. Paraphrased scripture: ”If you keep a fidelitate--emunah [to YHWH] that endures--remains like a mustard seed...’. What proceeded from bestiae obscurae [spiritually imposed doctrine]:'...if you have a fide like a mustard seed...'. Also, does the original manuscript say total fidelity to YHWH, or to Ges? anche abbiamo creduto in Ges: = that's also what we've heard by the Anointed Lamb: fossimo giustificati mediante la fidelitá in Ges Cristo...
that it is through one's emunah--fidelity to YHWH... La Nuova Diodati -- Noi, di nascita Giudei e non peccatori fra i gentili, sapendo che l'uomo non giustificato per le opere della legge ma per mezzo della fede in Ges Cristo, abbiamo creduto anche noi in Cristo Ges, affinché fossimo giustificati mediante la fede di Cristo e non mediante le opere della legge, poiché nessuna carne sar giustificata per mezzo della legge. Darby paraphrased -- We, who are Hebrews by nature, [become] sinners not [because of being] among the nations, knowing that a man is not justified through the operation of law but by the emunah--fidelity to YHWH, as we also have heard by the Lamb: that it is through one's emunah--fidelity to YHWH; and not because of operation of law, that one is justified; because through the operation of law no flesh shall be justified.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
Hi,
whether faith or hope, it means to place confidence; to trust with confident expectation; religious faith; an ecstasy of the mind, Every testimony in which Abraham pleased the Eternal wasn't a testimony of expectations,
1st. because expectations and confidences are not the testimony of the real action,and only the real action can become a real testimony; 2nd. because Abraham's hopes--expectations (or whatever confidences of the mind) wasn't the real testimony which answered the main question: Do you love me more than you love your own life?
3rd. YHWH does not try anyone, and does not test by causing suffering.
4th. because one's fidelity --i.e. the giving of the right of precedency to the word of an Only One--, only can become a real testimony through a real fact,
5th. besides, since YHWH already knows all that goes into one's brain and thoughts, then it makes no sense to require more of that. If it was question of knowing how much expectation, confidence or religious hope goes into one's brain, then to please would be not just a testing but a hypocrite one.
quote: Book of Hebrews -- paraphrased, lef - Do not omit the sureness, which is worth a great recompense, for patience is necessary for you; that, being the purpose of YHWH, you may shelter the premise of firstfruit [of YHWH]. For yet a little and a very little while, and he that is to come, will come, and will not delay. Bet - For it is because of [his] emunah--fidelity [to YHWH] that my righteous one shall live, - and if he withdraw himself, he shall not please my soul. But we are not the children of withdrawing unto perdition, but of fidelitate to the permanence of the soul. Gímel - Now through emunah--fidelitate is [manifest] the substance of that [the word] which one endures in and the evidence of things that appear not. For by this [constant fidelity] the ancients obtained a pleasant testimony. Dálet - By emunah--fidelitate we understand that the world was framed by the word of YHWH, - that from invisible things visible things might be made. For [his] fidelitate Abel offered to YHWH a sacrifice exceeding that of Cain, by which he obtained a testimony that he was just, YHWH giving testimony to his gifts - and by it he being dead yet speaks. H - For [his] emunah--fidelitate E’noch was translated, that he should not see death - and he was not found, because YHWH had translated him: for before his translation he had testimony that he pleased YHWH. For it is not possible to please without the fidelity which one must manifest in order for him to approach near YHWH, ascertain that HE IS [YHWH], and is gracious to them that constantly inquire for him.
1st. - sureness - American Standard translates ”boldness’ 2nd. - premise - Living premise of firstfruit of YHWH’s Spirit, abiding within the man. - premise - from Roman praemissu, p. p. of praemittere to send before; prae before + mittere to send 3rd. - not possible to please without the fidelity - E’noch was translated because he had this testimony: that he pleased YHWH, with love, in Spirit and in truth, the true love that is not just with the heart, but literal and physically: with all one’s strength and soul. And if it was the presence of E’noch’s fidelitate that made possible for him to approach near YHWH, literal and physically to please, then it is clear that one must manisfest that fidelity, rather than the belief that man would have been given the spiritual competence to entitle the Eternal to credibility, and then validate, or credit as true, what truth is supposed to be. - View the seven evidences at 'hidden treasure'. 4th. - For [his] fidelity - ”La Nuova Diodati’ and ”La Parola Vita’ do keep the initial word ”Per’ from Roman Language, which means ”For’, and indicates the antecedent cause, reason or motive, of being chosen or elected by YHWH.
Through emunah--fidelity is [manifest] the substance of that [the word] which one endures inand the evidence of things that appear not, Substance of that [YHWH'S word] which Abraham endured in: Isaac.Evidence of things that didn't appear before that moment: The lamb to die in the place of his son. Origin of the word ”perfect’ - from Ancient Roman Language fect = madeper = for per-fect = made for it - or made for one another. Modern Roman Language-- *Per fede intendiamo che l'universo stato formato per mezzo della parola di Dio, sí che le cose che si vedono non vennero all'esistenza da cose apparenti. *Per fede Abele offrí a Dio un sacrificio pi eccellente di quello di Caino; per essa egli ricevette la testimonianza che era giusto, quando Dio attest di gradire le sue offerte; e per mezzo di essa benché morto, egli parla ancora. *Per fede Enok fu trasferito in cielo perché non vedesse la morte, e non fu pi trovato perché Dio lo aveva trasferito; prima infatti di essere portato via, egli ricevette la testimonianza che era piaciuto a Dio. La Nuova Diodati.
Initial word according to the Modern Roman Language: For [his] fidelitate Henoch was translated, that he should not see death; and he was not found, because YHWH had translated him: for before his translation he had testimony that he pleased YHWH. -- La Parola Vita: * per la sua fede che Enoc fu portato [in cielo], senza che morisse. Nessuno lo trovo pi, perché Dio l'aveva preso. Prima che cio accadesse, stato detto di Enoc che "era gradito al Signore". It is because of his [emunah] fidelitate that Henoch was translated, that he should not see death; and he was not found, because YHWH had translated him: for before his translation he had testimony that he pleased YHWH. For [his] fidelitate Noe, having received an answer concerning those things which as yet were not seen..
Original order of manuscript: 1st. By the instruction of YHWH'SHUA - 2nd. let us leave the ritualistical rudiments [first principles], - 3rd. not laying again a foundation of penance from dead works, - and - 4th. let us go on unto perfection of emunah--fidelitate [Heb. emunah] toward YHWH, - of the instruction of washings, and of laying up of gathered hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal justice. And this will we do, if YHWH permit. Order of puzzle according to the versions that proceeded from the scarlet beast --obscure doctrine--, Wherefore - 2nd. leaving the first principles [ritualistical rudiments] - of - 1st. the words of YHWH'SHUA, - 4th. let us go on unto perfection; - 3rd. not laying again a foundation of penance from dead works, - and - of fidelitate [Heb. emunah] toward YHWH, of the instruction of washings, and of laying up of gathered hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal justice. And this will we do, if YHWH permit. American Standard had been keeping the word 'perfection' where others did get rid of it. Douay-Rheims did not keep the word 'perfection', but has been keeping 'penance' - [To impose penance; to punish.] - which fits with the ritualistical rudiments of killing the lambs continuously.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
bernerbits writes: Except the NT wasn't written in Latin or Hebrew. It's written in Greek and Aramaic. Hi,To state that the original manuscripts of new testament would have been first written in Aramaic is a form of saying, without evidence, that there wouldn't be Ancient Hebrew Language in the time they were written. And to state that those manuscripts would have been first written in Greek is a form of saying that 1st. the Greek would have come first and then the Ancient Roman Language, for, according to the doctorates in theology --the supposed spiritual authorities--, 2nd. the apostles would have supposedly written in Greek even when a letter wasn't addressed to Greek speaking people. Why would the protestant doctrines of faith have been having the habit of saying that (1st. and 2nd)? In order to not to recognize that the protestant doctrines of faith have been founded firm into the sand of the same versions of new testament, whose translation belonged in a same Roman compilation of mastercopy that was transcribed according to those ordinations and under the authority of the spiritual ministry of Rome. That non-recognition has been a part of the protestant intentsto legitimate the originally Roman doctrine of credere (doctrine of faith). The protestant directives have remained the same: To not recognize the spiritual ministry of Rome as being the one that had ruled over the authority to make compilations of new testament for over a 1,000 years;
To not to recognize the presence of Roman deeds in the versions of new testament: every spiritual terminology --e.g. battesimu (baptism), vaticyniu (baptize), credere (credit), fides (faith), cristu... -- that is not present in the Ancient Testament;
To not to recognize the Roman origin and nature that those terms were first utilized in the ancient Rome, even if it is needed to omit the existence of the Ancient Roman Language, by substituting the word Roman, in every discussion, with the term Medieval Latin (which is the most ancient Latin), but the apostle Paul did not write or speak Medieval Latin. protestant doctrines of faith will admit many things.. but that the versions of new testament they utilize belonged in a Roman compilation of new testament, which was made impregnated of originally Roman terminologies, isn't one of them.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
bernerbits writes: This is well-established. Hi,The Modern Roman Language is the ITALIAN LANGUAGE and its origin belongs in the Ancient Roman Language. therefore its origin has nothing to do with the Latin or Medieval Latin (which is the most ancient form of Latin).
What is it that is well-established if not the bizarre habit of substituting the term Ancient Roman Language with Medieval Latin in the discussions?? There is a disconnection --or crazyness-- in the directives of bringing up the term Latin or Medieval Latin whenever the focus of the discussion is the Ancient Roman Language, because even if the apostles had written in Greek to the non-Greek speaking people, the main subject here isn't any physical Greek occupancy in the Roman provinces, but the over 1,000 years of spiritually imposed occupancy in the field of eternal words of Scripture by the Mother (great in size) Roman church and the State of Vatican. For the puzzling nature of the doctrines of faith--beliefs of the earth has been the spiritual darkness of not seeing with the eyes or of not giving ear to the facts, or of not using the heart to understand all that is Spiritual, because the doctrines of faiths and abominations have been using the heart for the beliefs in order to believe the spirits of men by seeing the things through the Historicists and doctorates' point of view rather than through the Spirit that interceeds separately.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
bernerbits writes: You believe the scriptures were written in Ancient Italian because of the authority of the Catholic Church as opposed to all historical evidence to the contrary? No. Just bringing up that the Hebrew word emunah (fidelity--i.e. the giving of the right of precedency to the word of an only one),is the word that appears in the Hebrew New Testament, in all the places where one reads 'faith' in the versions, because the word emunah--fidelitate/fidelity has been substituted with the word fides(faith)--from the Ancient Roman Language, in the versions of new testament, and the reason why you have the words'1st. theos--Dio--Deus--god, 2nd. Kristus--Cristu, 3rd. IESVS--jesus, 4th. Lord, 5th. cross, 6th. crucify, 7th. baptism, 8th. faith,
9th. believe--credere; to credit' word faith. in the place of the words: '1st. Jehaveh--YHWH, 2nd. Anointed, 3rd. YHWH-SHUA--Jehav-shua, 4th. Adonai, 5th. tree, 6th. suspend, 7th. unction, 8th. emunah--fidelitate--fidelity, 9th. give ear; to retain; to comprehend; to understand; to know -- to give permanence; to remain; to endure'. is because of the fulfillness of prophecy with regard to the mixing of a wine of rejection --i.e. adulterated copies of new testament-- which would have to be overflowed into the unmixed wine of anger --i.e. the pure eternal words as originally written--. The word fides(faith) is an originally Roman term not because of historical reasons but because the Mother church is an originally Roman congregation. Not Greek. The Roman occupancy in the field of eternal words of Scripture was a spiritual occupancy (a Roman spiritual ministry--authority), and this fact alone is opposed to all books from the Historicians which come to say that no Roman occupancy--or spirital authority would have ever imposed their own translation--compilation of new testament upon the world for over 1,000 years. For in the Ancient Testament there is no reference of words like baptize, baptism, fides, credere and vaticinate as being spoken by the Eternal, as it was previously said to iceage:
quote: In the Roman-Italian culture, classes and traditions, the only time that fides [faith] does not mean fidelitate - Heb. emunah [fidelity], is when the word fidelity is utilized not in reference to the things that are inherently spiritual and of the Spirit. Italian Culture - Si pu contrapporle semmai la haeresis: perché, se fides significa fiducia e fedelt, fidarsi di Dio, essere fedeli a Dio, fondarsi insomma in un’eteronomia... www.ladante.it/.../index.asp?arg=dante&azione=articolo&TipoContenuto=fil e&id=030925_cardini.asp ..perché, se fides significa fiducia e fedelt, fidarsi di Dio, essere fedeli a Dio.. ..for, if faith means loyalty and fidelity, then ”to be confident of god’ is ”to be loyal to [the] god’.. According to the Roman culture, class and tradition, whenever the words fides (faith) and fidelitate - Heb. emunah (fidelity) are utilized with regard to all that is spiritual and of the Spirit, then, according to that point of view, it really does not matter whatever differentiates fidelity from faith. The same Roman-italian point of view tends to not make that distinction,in the same reason that the roman-italian class and tradition spiritually tends to not make (or retain) the distiction that differentiates an ornamental or photo image from a spiritual image, while the difference is that the spiritual image is made or utilized for a spiritual purpose--. That lack of spiritual differentiation with regard to the utilization of images, --whether for spiritual purpose or ornament only--, has been present in the roman-italian general culture, class and tradition and does coincide with the same spiritual tendency that the doctrines of faiths have been inclined to not separate regular emunah--[fidelity between family and brethren] and spiritual fidelity--fidelitate.
A real testimony of spiritual emunah--fidelity is only possible to exist through a real fact and from a real action taken, but expectations, faith (or belief) in any spirit of god that needs to be believed in order to exist, can be found in any of the brains that are cauterized by religion.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
Hi,
Updating to the Ancient Original Definition
Bishop -- from the Ancient Roman verb. bispare; to investigate; to search accurately, this is the real significance and original definition of bishop; one who interviews, investigates, inquires for the truth, or simply one that searches to know more while exploring the field of eternal words, like Joshua and Caleb were the appropriate bishops/spies for the children of Israel to know more about the promise land. While being a bishop, feel free to always investigate and inquire for a narrow door/scroll as originally written, which is not possible to be found by belief, credere, giving of spiritual credit nor any religious system either, but by listening, having ears to hear YHWH's words, knowing that you can hear and ascertain spiritually, and then hear beyond what has been presented at the large door of religion and doctrines of faiths. Real bishops know that in a case of spiritual darkness (faith--fide; belief--credere), the yeast/spiritual fermentation of capitalizing a 'g or 'e' in order for to make it more acceptable won't help, because the capitalization does highlight that nothing can be done with the word 'elohim' when it is pronounced or spoken.
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goldenlightArchangel Member (Idle past 1174 days) Posts: 583 From: Roraima Peak Joined: |
Iceage,
you wrote: '...said if you don't believe in him then believe in his works and miracles.' If the justice Courts of the world do request the presence of proof not to work up a belief upon it, then much less does the Law of the Testimony have anything to do with the testimony of credere”belief, because the presence of the proof anihilates the belief substituting it with total sureness: If I am not doing My Begetter's works, don't recognize Me. But if I am doing them and you don't recognize Me, recognize the works. This way you will know and understand that the Begetter is in Me and I in the Begetter. Holman Standard: This way you will know and understand . Precedence of credere not present in the Ancients: . that you may know and believe . , Roman mastercopy: . affinché conosciate e crediate...
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