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ringo
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Message 151 of 229 (332865)
07-18-2006 11:39 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Faith
07-18-2006 4:14 AM


Re: scripture ref
Faith writes:
Do you know scripture at all?
I will note again your conspicuous absence from the Bible Study forum. If you want to discuss scripture rather than pontificate, I'll see you over there.
He must punish sin because it opposes His very nature.
Nonsense. There is no "must" to God. He can do what He wants.
Vindictive-god is a fundamentalist fabrication.
ONLY those who hate God have something to fear.
So all those children who die in "natural" disasters have nothing to fear? Or do they hate God?

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Faith 
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Message 152 of 229 (332872)
07-18-2006 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by ringo
07-18-2006 11:39 AM


Re: scripture ref
I have absolutely NO interest in participating in the usual subjecting of the Bible to the liberal dismantling of it that is done around here. Bible Study indeed!
The scripture is very very very clear on God's actions in this world. It takes denying scripture to come up with the view of God you have.

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ringo
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Message 153 of 229 (332875)
07-18-2006 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 152 by Faith
07-18-2006 12:03 PM


Re: scripture ref
Faith writes:
I have absolutely NO interest in participating in the usual subjecting of the Bible to the liberal dismantling of it that is done around here.
You have no interest in defending the Bible? Understood.

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Faith 
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Message 154 of 229 (332878)
07-18-2006 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 150 by riVeRraT
07-18-2006 6:52 AM


Re: God's judgment
You raise theological questions I have studied for years and have answers to, but I see no place for discussing them here. I vehemently disagree with most of what you said and I'm far from alone with it. Many Holy-Spirit inspired leaders of the church disagree with you.
I was GIVEN the message about destruction coming to America some 14 years ago when I was fasting and praying for a week for God's guidance. There is nothing "automatic" about it and it does not come from anything in me. It was a period of intense encounter with God full of His presence. If anything I have not been faithful enough to the sense of mission I had at that time since then.
It's not an easy message to carry. One is constantly up against not only the usual atheist condemnations but objections from supposed Christians. But I can tell you I am not alone with it. It was my first take on 9/11 but about all one heard thereafter from Christians along with everybody else was "God bless America" rather than "Repent, America." Some, but very very few, gave the message of judgment.
The purpose of this message is not necessarily evangelism, it's declaring the sovereignty of God to a world that denies Him.

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Message 155 of 229 (332879)
07-18-2006 12:16 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by ringo
07-18-2006 12:08 PM


Re: scripture ref
That's right. I have no interest in defending the Bible. Believe what you want.

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ramoss
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Message 156 of 229 (332882)
07-18-2006 12:21 PM
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07-18-2006 4:14 AM


Re: scripture ref
Gosh.. God loves everyone equally, as long as they use the proper words to worship him, else he sends them to hell. He also sends natural disaster, disease, hurricanes , earthquakes, tsunami's.. but he watches every sparrow fall.
Somehow, there seems to be some actions that are in conflict there.

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Faith 
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Message 157 of 229 (332883)
07-18-2006 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by ramoss
07-18-2006 12:21 PM


Re: scripture ref
There's no conflict to one who submits to the Bible as written with trust in the God who wrote it. It's the distrust of God and trust in your own fallible intellect that makes it not make sense to you.

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sidelined
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Message 158 of 229 (332886)
07-18-2006 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by Faith
07-18-2006 12:24 PM


Re: scripture ref
Faith
It's the distrust of God and trust in your own fallible intellect that makes it not make sense to you.
I cannot speak for ramoss but for myself one of the simpler reasons for not bothering with the bible is that the matter is not one of distrust in a God but in men with agendas of their own who indeed wrote the bible.

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docpotato
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Message 159 of 229 (332887)
07-18-2006 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 148 by Faith
07-18-2006 4:21 AM


Re: The laws in question
Exd 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.
As a literalist, you must get really busy around Halloween time. They're everywhere.

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jar
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Message 160 of 229 (332889)
07-18-2006 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 156 by ramoss
07-18-2006 12:21 PM


throw back to the Dark ages.
Gosh.. God loves everyone equally, as long as they use the proper words to worship him, else he sends them to hell. He also sends natural disaster, disease, hurricanes , earthquakes, tsunami's.. but he watches every sparrow fall.
Somehow, there seems to be some actions that are in conflict there.
The idea that events like the tsunamis, earthquakes, hurricanes, floods, fires, tornados or other natural disasters are some Divine Retribution is nothing but a return to the mentality of the Dark Ages where sickness or poverty or accident were seen as punishments from GOD. It is nothing short of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit and pure Ignorance, attributing Evil to GOD, and all Christians, all Theists as a matter of fact, should stand up, speak out and condemn those who preach such Blasphemy.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Faith 
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Message 161 of 229 (332892)
07-18-2006 12:42 PM
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07-18-2006 12:28 PM


Re: scripture ref
That very standard rationalization is really nothing but trust in human intellect and distrust in God.

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Faith 
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Message 162 of 229 (332894)
07-18-2006 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by docpotato
07-18-2006 12:29 PM


Re: The laws in question
Yes, witches are now just nice people who appreciate nature, and sorcery is just fun. With that pretty idea we casually allow every kind of demonic thing to influence people and take possession of their minds. Few have any sense of the dangers involved to them from the demonic spirits who are the power behind these things. Perhaps God will give us a revival in which many of them see the truth. In that case I think exorcisms might become necessary.

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ringo
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Message 163 of 229 (332895)
07-18-2006 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Faith
07-18-2006 12:42 PM


Re: scripture ref
Faith writes:
That very standard rationalization is really nothing but trust in human intellect and distrust in God.
Is it any wonder that people distrust the god you depict?
Edited by Ringo, : Fixed quote.

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Faith 
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Message 164 of 229 (332896)
07-18-2006 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 160 by jar
07-18-2006 12:31 PM


Re: throw back to the Dark ages.
No problem, jar, you can rest easy. We're condemned right and left by the lot of you.

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Message 165 of 229 (332897)
07-18-2006 12:52 PM
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07-18-2006 12:49 PM


Re: scripture ref
Only an all-powerful holy God is worthy of trust. Not the wishywashy powerless phantom you all invent.

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