Legal Death, Legal Life, Personhood and Abortion

You would prefer to talk to someone that has had an abortion? What would you like to discuss? How about the "fact" that your experience was nothing like mine so how can your opinion on it overrule mine?

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Asgara
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Glad to see you finally agreeing that it is a personal choice that no one else can make for another person.If this is how you genuinely feel, then why are you arguing differently with others?Yes, I know, that isn't how you genuinely feel, so why be so patronizing towards me? And patronizing is exactly how what you said to me seemed.{pseudoquote}Aww I'm sorry if I offended you, of course my opinion on the matter cannot overrule yours...{/pseudoquote}What you have been arguing throughout this entire thread is just the opposite. You have come right out and stated that your opinion is right and mine is wrong. You have come right out and stated that everyone should have to follow your opinion.Answer this simple question, no debate, please just pick ONE of these option as the closest to your true opinion. You can discuss variations on your choice after you make one. I will be happy to discuss my pregnancies and abortion with you AFTER I get an answer.1. Abortion is a personal choice and during early pregnancy no one has the right to make that decision except for the pregnant woman.2. Abortion is wrong and government should create laws making it illegal for anyone to have one, except for dire medical emergencies.

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You pick #2. So in other words you were being condescending when you initially told me that of course your opinion doesn't outweigh mine. You are advocating just that, that your opinion become law and outweigh mine.I never said you had to agree with my opinion. I never said you had to make my choice or feel what I felt or do what I do. If you truly respect my opinion and my choice then why do you feel that I have no right to have my opinion taken seriously or the right to make MY choice?I don't want to force women who do not agree with me to have an abortion. Why would you want to force women who do not agree with you to NOT have one. Where do you get that from what I wrote? I didn't discuss my "feelings" about the abortion in that post. I asked you a question about your opinion to help me clarify your patronizing attitude.

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Asgara
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MY opinion still leaves you the option of following your beliefs on the matter. YOUR opinion negates my beliefs on the matter.If you do not agree with my opinion, then fine DO NOT HAVE AN ABORTION. Believe it goes against your religious beliefs, then fine PEOPLE WITH YOUR BELIEFS DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE AN ABORTION.Whether or not I left the question mark off your question does nothing for you. If you were merely asking how I felt then why not phrase it:
"How did you feel afterwards?" The way your phrased your question made it seem like I had intimated that I felt nothing. "So you quit beating your wife after that incident?"

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Asgara
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Explain please. Does my opinion force you or anyone you know to have an abortion? I didn't think so. So my opinion still leaves you the option of NOT having an abortion per your beliefs.As for your second comment, I've had this discussion repeatedly with my teenage children. When someone tells you how a remark of yours "seemed" to them the proper response is NOT "you're wrong." I understand that you may not have meant your remark to seem that way but it did.Now on to your curiousity as to my feelings afterward. Yes, I was depressed. Yes, for a period of time I wondered if I'd done the right thing. Yes, periodically I wonder what any child that may have come from that pregnancy would have turned out like. Yes, if the same circumstances presented themselves again I would do it again. No question about it.During the two pregnancies that did result in children I also wondered if I was doing the right thing. After both births I was depressed, especially so after my second. Both pregnancies were miserable and the one that I ended up aborting was even more so.Periodically I wonder about a miscarriage I had and what would have happened if that had been a viable baby. Periodically I wonder about a little girl I had taken under my wing many years ago. How did she turn out?I have more to say, but I'll let you respond to this first.

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While it shows a numerical increase culminating about 10 years ago, you failed to also state that the rates have remained substantially stable. In fact, the rates seem to have even dropped.The increase in numbers easily involve an increase in population.

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Now, after all that, this is all you have to say? Just what is it that you claim to understand?I don't think you do, or you wouldn't also claim that your opinion should be law.

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And NO ONE is telling you that YOU can't believe this. No one is forcing you to stop believing this, or to force you to have an abortion. No one is even trying to stop you from convincing someone else of your belief.You do NOT have control over what I do with MY body, or my beliefs.

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Except no one is breaking a law dear.Laws denying me the privacy and ability to make decisions concerning my own body were struck down as unconstitutional.There is no "law" saying go have an abortion. What there is is a little something we like to call the Constitution. This same constitution that allows you to make decisions for YOUR body that you feel are right for YOU and allows me to make decision for MY body that I feel are right for ME.

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Changed in what way? Are things any different for me than before I got pregnant that time? NO. Are things any different for me now than they would have been if I had gone through with the pregnancy? YES, they are better.I appreciate the sentiment, but I have done nothing to be forgiven for. I followed my own conscience and did nothing against the law. Now we're back to the OP, please define life. Is my heart life? Is the transplanted kidney in my cousin life? Is the tumor in the woman with breast cancer life?

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