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Author | Topic: THE EVOLUTIONISTS' GUIDE TO PROPER CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOUR | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Jet Inactive Member |
OK all you Darwinian philosophers out there. Here is your chance to instruct Christians on how to behave as a "Proper Christian" so that they do not offend any pagans, heretics, agnostics, nihilists, satanists, or anti-theists. Have at it!
------------------As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit? Prof. George Greenstein
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
This is a reply to comments from Jet in Message 65 in the A Christian (and creationist)'s condemnation of thread of the Is it Science forum. Jet probably intended to begin this thread with that discussion.
Jet writes: This is not the first time I have received a query from the evolutionists' side as to what does or does not qualify as proper "Christian" behaviour when it comes to dealing with pagans, heretics, and anti-theists. I believe the Christian position is that you should treat others the way you would want them to treat you. Christ counseled tolerance, saying that if someone smites your cheek that you turn to them the other. Christ also said not to criticize the sliver in someone else's eye until you have addressed with the timber in your own. Nowhere did he say that there is a different set of standards for pagans, heretics and anti-theists.
So as to get a better understanding of the evolutionary mind and its' thought processes, I have open a new thread within the "FAITH AND BELIEF" forum. Perhaps those evolutionists who are so adept at instructing Christians how to behave as a "Proper Christian" would care to enlighten everyone on their views of the proper behaviour of believers, especially considering the fact that most evolutionists utterly deny Christianity and its' teachings. More evolutionists than not are members of one religion or another, and there is no uniformity in their religious views. But you're not being asked to adhere to Christian principles. I only mentioned it because of my surprise that it is a Christian whose behavior is least consistent with them than anyone else here. All you're being asked to do is to follow the Forum Guidelines. This site is for serious discussion. I've set aside the Free For All forum for those who prefer a freer environment or a less serious focus. My suggestion is that you focus on discussing topics of interest to you and try to leave aside your obvious repugnance toward evolutionists. If you do not your next suspension will be for a week, and the next for a month. ------------------ --EvC Forum Administrator [This message has been edited by Admin, 12-08-2002]
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forgiven Inactive Member |
quote: i think this is fair, however has it come to your attention that the occasional atheist shows "obvious repugnance" toward christians? i believe mutual respect is a good thing to strive for and that neither side should resort to the things you mention
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
forgiven writes: i think this is fair, however has it come to your attention that the occasional atheist shows "obvious repugnance" toward christians? i believe mutual respect is a good thing to strive for and that neither side should resort to the things you mention It certainly has come to my attention, but my ability to detect guideline violations on both sides of the debate is not balanced. That's why we have Adminaquility, and I'm looking for another moderator with a Creationist viewpoint so that both sides have equal representation. You can certainly email me at Evc Forum Administrator if you think someone may be violating the guidelines, but you might also consider emailing Adminaquility. ------------------ --EvC Forum Administrator
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funkmasterfreaky Inactive Member |
I think, we're all adults here who can conduct our selves in a proper fashion, and admit and apologize when we haven't. Administration is not the problem, it's a fact that it's a very heated subject, and easy to get a little carried away. Maybe we should just show some respect to each other no matter how absurd their belief may sound to you.
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Chara Inactive Member |
quote:Jet, You and I both know that we don't need to look to anyone or anything else for our "rules of conduct". Our fearless leader *silly grin* pointed out the conduct of Jesus who when reviled, reviled not. There are also numerous passages exhorting us as believers to be gentle, kind, etc., etc. The thing is, we don't get to judge those who don't believe by the same standards ... but they do get to judge us. Drat, eh? They know the standard ... and they expect us to live by it .... forgetting that we are human too. Don't lose heart ... do not weary in doing good and remember when we say we speak/act/live for God, EVERYTHING we do tells about God ... and we either tell a lie, or we tell the truth. Sermonette over :-) oh yeah, you don't HAVE to click the post button (this is the only medium in which we can really "think before we speak")
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Jet Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Admin:
I believe the Christian position is that you should treat others the way you would want them to treat you. ***You are only partially correct. We are also instructed to offer subtle insult to those who utterly reject the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Perhaps I am not always as subtle as I should be.*** Originally posted by Admin:More evolutionists than not are members of one religion or another, and there is no uniformity in their religious views. ***I would not disagree, but this simply reinforces my argument concerning pagans, heretics, and anti-theists.*** Originally posted by Admin:But you're not being asked to adhere to Christian principles. I only mentioned it because of my surprise that it is a Christian whose behavior is least consistent with them than anyone else here. ***Of all the comments you make here, this one seems most incredulous. Either you have not payed close enough attention to everyone else or perhaps you are making an attempt to bait me. At any rate, one need only read some of the postings by several evolutionists to recognize that their behaviour in no way resembles the Christian behaviour, but on the contrary, present a totally agnostic view which at times has been adamantly anti-Christian in nature. As you yourself stated to another poster concerning forum guideline violations.......""It certainly has come to my attention, but my ability to detect guideline violations on both sides of the debate is not balanced."" Perhaps your concentration upon my violations, as well as my noticing your unbalanced enforcement of those violations committed by others who have been directly posting to me, has played a significant part in my "unacceptable" behaviour. Personally, I believe that my ability to "piss off" some of the evolutionists through the exposure of certain failures of the TOE, has also contributed to this dilema. Once again I will endeavor to follow forum guidelines with the acknowledgement that if further violations do happen to surface, that the unbalance that I have observed thus far will continue until a staunch creationist joins you in monitoring the forums. With that in mind, I will attempt to follow forum guidelines with the understanding that next time I will get a weeks vacation. One can only do ones' best and I will endeavor to do mine but I make no promises because I would hate to break that promise.*** Shalom Jet ------------------As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit? Prof. George Greenstein
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Jet Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Chara:
Jet, You and I both know that we don't need to look to anyone or anything else for our "rules of conduct". Our fearless leader *silly grin* pointed out the conduct of Jesus who when reviled, reviled not. There are also numerous passages exhorting us as believers to be gentle, kind, etc., etc. The thing is, we don't get to judge those who don't believe by the same standards ... but they do get to judge us. Drat, eh? They know the standard ... and they expect us to live by it .... forgetting that we are human too. Don't lose heart ... do not weary in doing good and remember when we say we speak/act/live for God, EVERYTHING we do tells about God ... and we either tell a lie, or we tell the truth. Sermonette over :-) oh yeah, you don't HAVE to click the post button (this is the only medium in which we can really "think before we speak") ***I think that what is not understood by the administrator, as well as many of the evolutionists, is that Christ was not some goody two-shoes who went around letting everyone abuse him or his words. He was extremely outspoken to those who at least professed to have some knowledge of the scriptures, which many of these evolutionists seem to have. I don't know, perhaps it is an underlying concern that I have for those who have rejected the Living Word of God that compells me to verbally slap some sense into them, so to speak. At any rate, I have not come across a single evolutionist who was well versed enough in the Holy Scriptures to make an informed and intelligent observation on the entirety of the Word of God. More's the pity!*** Shalom Jet ------------------As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit? Prof. George Greenstein
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Karl Inactive Member |
What does evolution have to do with "rejecting the Living Word of God"?
Nothing except what the creationist side attributes to it.
No webpage found at provided URL: http://freespace.virgin.net/karl_and.gnome/thelie.htm [This message has been edited by Karl, 12-09-2002]
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Jet writes: Once again I will endeavor to follow forum guidelines with the acknowledgement that if further violations do happen to surface, that the unbalance that I have observed thus far will continue until a staunch creationist joins you in monitoring the forums. Nominations for a staunch Creationist moderator are now open. Fred Williams has already informed me that he doesn't have the available time right now.
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John Inactive Member |
quote: Man! I was sooooo ready to vote for Fred. I mean, he does have experience.... ------------------
No webpage found at provided URL: www.hells-handmaiden.com [This message has been edited by John, 12-09-2002] [This message has been edited by John, 12-09-2002]
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5872 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
Although I'm not too sure how much time he's got available, I would like to suggest you contact forgiven for the position. In spite of his occasional crossing of swords with certain evo posters (not to mention any names John ), I think he'd make a pretty fair - in both senses - moderator.
PS: You were kidding about Fred, right?
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Admin Director Posts: 12998 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Quetzal writes: Although I'm not too sure how much time he's got available, I would like to suggest you contact forgiven for the position. Forgiven, how do you feel about this? Do you have the available time? Are you here for the long term? Any seconds for forgiven? It should come from a Creationist, since the nomination was from an evolutionist. I know I'm carrying out this process differently from when Adminaquility became a moderator, but TB had been here over six months at the time, while Forgiven has been here less than a month, so I feel I need more data.
PS: You were kidding about Fred, right? Nope! There's a set of Moderator Guidelines. Moderators can get booted, too. I don't think what happened at OCW was Fred's fault, but was more a result of a flawed philosophy on how to moderate discussions. For example, they attempt to make objective assessments of what are in essence subjective issues, such as whether someone is misrepresenting someone else's views, and then they edit and/or delete posts based on the assessment, something that we don't do here. It's a tough temptation to resist when you're a moderator and you feel that someone is either obfuscating or stonewalling or misrepresenting or purposefully misinterpreting, but you have to keep telling yourself that, number one, you could easily be wrong, and number two, that heavy-handed moderation is counter-productive, though it certainly makes for great entertainment. EvC Forum is a learning experience for me, and I hope for many others. I mean this in more than the sense of just the Creation/Evolution debate itself. On-line public discussions have been taking place on the Internet since the 70s (it was called the Arpanet then), but I don't think we've learned how to do this very effectively yet. In my view EvC Forum is on the right track, but we've still got a ways to go. ------------------ --EvC Forum Administrator
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Jet Inactive Member |
Originally posted by Admin:
Nominations for a staunch Creationist moderator are now open. Fred Williams has already informed me that he doesn't have the available time right now. ***I haven't been back long enough to make an accurate assessment of who may qualify for this position. I may venture to nominate someone once I have become more familiar with board members.*** Shalom Jet ------------------As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit? Prof. George Greenstein [This message has been edited by Jet, 12-09-2002]
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5195 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
[deleted duplicate message - probably occurred due to continuing server issue. --Admin]
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