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Author Topic:   Theistic Evolution
doctrbill
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Message 26 of 78 (46530)
07-19-2003 10:21 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by emotional
07-19-2003 5:53 PM


Perhaps because I am atheist, I'm a bit confused by your statement.
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I'm a Deist. I adhere to theistic evolution:
Why not call it Deistic Evolution?
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the parameters for evolution were set at Creation 15 billion years ago, and since then evolution has been running freely.
You mean, without the Deity?
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Evolution, which means a blind, ruthless operation of natural law, puts such a god [theistic] out of the picture. The God of evolution is the God of Natural Law - the God of Deism, not of theism.
Does this mean that Deists view God as blind and ruthless?
And, just out of curiosity: Of what value is a god which is not sovereign and doesn't intervene?
db
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"If God created Nature, then the Law of Nature is the Law of God."

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doctrbill
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Message 27 of 78 (46531)
07-19-2003 10:46 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Minnemooseus
01-19-2002 5:36 PM


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How can one be certain that the Bible "cannot be wrong", when "fallible humans" have been involved in it's production?
One can't, of course. The old King James Version of the Bible, for example, is considered by many to be the only true translaton (even though its inadequacies are easy to demonstrate). It has, in fact, been radically altered for English readers in many ways. One of the changes removed the name Jesus from at least two places and substituted the name Joshua. Not a serious problem for Bible scholars, but potentially devastating for a true believer with no charlatan ... errr ... pastor, to hold his hand and talk him through a crisis of faith. Faith in translators actually. A faith which may be limited to one particular scholar, or scholars on the payroll of a particular religious denomination.
The next step then, for proponents of inerrancy, is to claim that the "original documents" contain no mistakes. This is a convenient dodge, since there are NO ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS. And, there are literally thousands of manuscripts from antiquity; but they are all different; not one completely agrees with the others.
db

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doctrbill
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Message 30 of 78 (46583)
07-20-2003 5:19 PM
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07-20-2003 12:21 PM


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Where did you get your information?
From a website posted by a man who is translating parts of the New Testament.
Here's what he says:
"... the thousands of Greek manuscripts of the four gospels which we do have available to us today all differ from one another. Consequently there is need not only for translation, but also need to decide from which of the thousands of Greek text variants to translate. " ... "I also believe in the inspiration of scripture by God. The problem is, if God preserved his word perfectly to the letter, in which of the 5,000+ manuscripts is it preserved, since not one is identical to the other?"
Excerpted from: Bible Translations - Why are there so many differences? http://www.ilovejesus.com//school/hologos/
db

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doctrbill
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Message 32 of 78 (46602)
07-20-2003 7:50 PM
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07-20-2003 7:03 PM


Nosey Ned
True to you handle aren't you.

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doctrbill
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Message 36 of 78 (46663)
07-21-2003 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by NosyNed
07-21-2003 3:36 AM


Re: Nosey Ned
Hey Ned,
I took your suggestion seriously and then, I had just opened the new topic and returned here to see your second squawk. Seemed to me you were overly anxious and impatient to get the topic out of this thread. Check the dates and times and I think you'll see what I mean.
db

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