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Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 307 (421091)
09-11-2007 12:17 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by Dr Jack
09-10-2007 5:48 PM


Re: Ungrounded Convert Disolusionment
MrJack writes:
Born agan christian in my teen years, Atheist by twenty.
Multitudes of professing born again folks either lack inspirational and intelligent mentors within the churches or never get grounded in good inspirational fundamentalist churches and so forth.
Thankfully I was saved/born again in a Biblical prophecy evangelistic meeting where some fulfilled prophecy was substantiated. Biblical prophecy is rarely ever preached in even fundi pulpits (including the one I attend) and that's shameful given about a third of the Biblical is prophecy related in some way and it advocates studying and knowing them. Prophecy is one of the huge evidences which keep me into and substantiate the faith aspects of my Christianity.
That's not all. The Bible says the closer you draw to God the closer he comes to you and reveals himself to you via answered prayers and other miraculous stuff which happens too frequently and is too significant to pass of as coincedence. I absolutely know that God exists and the Bible is credible regardless of the relatively few more problematic aspects some see in it.
I operate somewhat like secularists claim to do. I look at the empirical evidence which becomes the engine which pulls my cars along track for my Christianity train. Without that evidence my cars would go nowhere and like some of you I'd simply hop off and look for a train with some motivation.
I observe individuals, families, cultures, nations and in fact the world and I see those Biblical based ones the more blessed, the more content, generally the more prosperous and the less evil and violent than most others.
I observe my own life and see how the more I hold to the fundamentals of scripture and follow them, the more I'm blessed and when I begin to get careless or stray the more problematic life becomes for me.
I observe the billions of organisms ever so complex with sooo much evidence of design everywhere you look on this one planet with all the distance calculations relative to earth/moon/sun/atmosphere needing to all be precise and I see the rest of the close observable celestial bodies hoplessly void of life and I say, "self, just keep on the straight and narrow and you'll end up just fine to some day enjoy your loving Saviour in his father's house amongst them pearly gates, streets of gold, along that river & tree of life where you eat that heavenly food forever in blissful ecstacy!"
I've said the above to say I believe had the folks who opted out gotten grounded into the whole Bible, like Jesus's parable of the seeds, they'd have been in good soil and would have gotten established in Biblical truth as I have confident that it is the way of inner joy, peace and eternal life. One does not get established into Christianity just by going to church once a week and listening to sermons. One gets established by doing the homework seriously as a serious runner works out daily. There is that evil one, Satan who deceives. Thus the church may lead you astray unless you're into it yourself studiously. ALL churches have some false stuff in them. Like individuals they're not perfect and always accurate, often being distant from truth. The more you get Biblical, the more you find erroneous in the average pulpit in both evangelical and non-evangelical churches and religious circles. I've attended scores of them, enough to know. There is good and truth in most to a greater or lesser degree just like in the field where there's herbs that heal an herbs that kill. You eat the good and leave the rest.
ABE: I don't mean to minimise the importance of church attendance. It is very important for keeping established in the faith and it is taught in the NT. All I'm saying is that it is just one aspect of being a blessed Biblical NT Christian. Choosing a good one is very important and can be difficult in some areas.
So much for my six bits. Go with God an enjoy.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 66 of 307 (421109)
09-11-2007 1:31 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by molbiogirl
09-11-2007 12:28 AM


Re: Atheism and Violence
They, like Germany before Hitler are riding the waves of their former Christianity and Biblical priciples ingrained in their culture to the extent that over half are baptized and married in churches.
LOL for the future for athiestic Sweden. Like Christian to athiest Crashfrog, they need to return to the source of the principles that brought blessing to their nation in the first place.
http://www.socialismtoday.org/46/sweden.html
BTW, speaking of racist inuenddos, Perhaps racism is what kept Sweden prosperous, given their rigid stance against imagration, with 90% of the relatively few AfroSwedes there living in poverty.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 159 of 307 (421502)
09-12-2007 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 157 by arachnophilia
09-12-2007 10:12 PM


Re: Biblical Fundamentalist
Arach writes:
ah, it's "no true scotsman" again, is it? frankly ray, "fundamentalist" is someone who accepts the fundamentals (trinity, divinity of jesus, salvation by crucifixion, resurrection, etc) and generall attends one of the smaller denominations (ie: not catholic, anglican, etc). you are a fundamentalist -- i don't mean that as any kind of insult. that's just the definition. i was one too. so was crash.
LOL! Ray may not remember but for a long time I've been trying to get him as well as some other members to understand this fact. A fundamentalist in anything is one who believes, proclaims and practices the fundamentals of whatever one is involved in. It can also apply to a machinist, pilot or whatever. When I fly I certainly want the pilot and crew to adhere to the fundamentals of flying a passenger jet so as for the thing to arrive at the destination safe an sound. Even those violent Muslims we call "fundamentalists" are called that because when one does the homework, on realizes that they are the really devout fundies who go by the books even to the point of sacrificing their lives for the advancement of their religion.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 204 of 307 (421688)
09-13-2007 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 191 by crashfrog
09-13-2007 1:20 PM


Re: Runaway Train of thought!
Crashfrog writes:
Also I'm still waiting for all my supposed legions of detractors to pop in and tell me what's wrong with me. It's still an open invitation, and I promise not to bite.
Do you recall what I said back in message 53 regarding folks like you who crashed on Christ and Christianity?
Buzsaw writes:
I've said the above to say I believe had the folks who opted out gotten grounded into the whole Bible, like Jesus's parable of the seeds, they'd have been in good soil and would have gotten established in Biblical truth as I have confident that it is the way of inner joy, peace and eternal life. One does not get established into Christianity just by going to church once a week and listening to sermons. One gets established by doing the homework seriously as a serious runner works out daily. There is that evil one, Satan who deceives. Thus the church may lead you astray unless you're into it yourself studiously.
http://EvC Forum: People - I /was/ a Christian -->EvC Forum: People - I /was/ a Christian

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 257 of 307 (422065)
09-15-2007 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by Cold Foreign Object
09-13-2007 9:56 PM


Re: Runaway Frog
Buzsaw: my earlier comments about Fundamentalism are not in any way directed at you. We disagree theologically and denominationally as do many Christians - big deal. I have read many posts by the Atheist-evolutionist element here at EvC condemning you with harsh invective. This means you are uttlerly correct and on the right path in my eyes. Whoever the evolutionists condemn are the most right, this is invulnerable logic. You are a great Creationist and Designist, which is the subject here at EvC and I do not want our enemies to misconstrue theological difference between you and I to mean that we do not support one another. I think that you agree too.
Thanks Ray. We've had our differences over time, but I do indeed appreciate and support much of what you advocate as well as the kind remarks.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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