DEATH AND GOD!

QUOTE: There was a group of jews in Auswitz that put god on trial for abandoning his people. After the found him guilty, they went ahead and did their daily prayers.
The point is praying and believing in god seems to be more for the people and less for the deity they prayed to (whether god exists or not). It's only people like riverrat and nemjug that think we are created for the sole purpose of kissing his holy arse.___________________________________________________________My reply. Actually, some stopped praying altogether! I spoke to a Jewish woman just yesterday and she told me that what happened during WWII was proof that there is no god.

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I was under the impression that god's hand is in everything?

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Doubtful, that concept would void free will. Most likely God created life and set it into motion. No doubt He has interfered on numerous occasions, however, this is not to say He is pulling all the strings. I'm not saying God never took life, but I doubt he was laughing about it either. Furthermore, if we are looking for blame in the divine regions, then lest not overlook the origin of human suffering himself. I have not doubt someone is pleased with the death of innocent people, but it is not God.I blame churches for instilling the notion that God takes peoples lives. They spent years driving fear into people as they rattled their keys above the contribution baskets.

Having been here long enough to have people actually believe this kind of thing, it is not being blind, but benefit of the doubt. Or he just is not involved with day to day lives. Your argument against god is the old "absence of evidence is evidence of absence" logical fallacy -- just as invalid as the "argument from design" from the theist.The only logical conclusion is you don't know. Anything else is wasted bandwidth.Enjoy.ps - type [qs]quotes are easy[/qs] and it becomes: or type [quote]quotes are easy[/quote] and it becomes:

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also check out (help) links on formating questions when in the reply window.Edited by RAZD, : ps

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Razd, You have me a bit confused by your post "purely natural catastrophic events with no correlation to behavior or any other link to an assumed specific (vengeful) creator ... at worst."When you pray, don't you thank god for everything that he gave you? Doesn't your pastor thank god too? When a tragedy happens, isn't the usual refrain "It's god's will" used? If so, you thank god for everything good, but do not acknowledge his hand in anything bad that happens in this world.... other than "It is his will". This is called as a contradiction in logic.
Contradiction: N.
1. a. The act of contradicting.
b. The state of being contradicted.
2. A denial.
3. Inconsistency; discrepancy.
4. Something that contains contradictory elements

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Please check signature. You assumed something in error. No, it is called a straw man argument because all you have "contradicted" is your definition of god. There are (many) others.Enjoy.

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That's kinda funny, because a couple years ago I met a woman who was also a strong holocaust denier. Her best reason for denying the holocaust was that god would never have allowed the holocaust to happen. Therefore, it never happened. So, I guess you either deny the holocaust or deny god.

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Because, quite honestly, your post rung like many baby Christian posts ring. Your argument sounded like a 15 year old Christian kid's argument. I assumed you were being genuine. I agree. I see too many Christians ascribing good things happening to them as evidence of God working in their lives, rather than of coincidence. Having said that, people dying, even tragically, isn't evidence that God isn't merciful either. If Jesus can be scourged & crucified, Paul can be beheaded, Stephen can be stoned to death, Simon Peter be crucified upside, etc, bad things can and will happen to anyone.Does that mean that people haven't been miraculously spared? I'm assured that they have. But Christians need to be careful when they attribute something to God. No, my friend. God has granted to a freewill so that no matter what happens, it will be your decision. God, in infinite wisdom, must surely understand that forcing people to love Him isn't love at all. Those would be mindless automatons doling out the functions its Programmer gave them. I believe there are infinite futures to come to, so that there never is any set future that will come to pass. But you will no doubt say, "How then can prophecies come true?" The fact is, they can come true, dependent upon our ability to haphazardly trek in to the future after a clear warning has been given. To add: Some prophecies have been averted by following God. Jonah is the most notable. The people of Ninevah were utterly doomed. However, Jonah's begrudging faithfulness allowed for him to speak to the people of Ninevah. Their hearts were turned and repentant, and as a result, the prophecy did not have to come to pass.So, yes, there is a paradox when it comes to that. God is surely a paradox.

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Your premise is based on the assumption that death is a bad thing, which is only true if there is no god (and no afterlife). But, if god does exist, then death is truly a blessing, akin to a mother's removing a splinter from a child's finger - a momentary discomfort followed by great relief from pain and anxiety. So, all the so called 'tragedies' you list can be taken as proof of the existence of a merciful god, one who gathers his beloved children to his buxom of eternal bliss. This is why true believers are so joyful when a loved one dies, and so sad and distraught when they become pregnant or give birth, indicating that some poor soul has been wretched from heaven and cast down on a corrupted earth.

How can we know that the authors of the bible texts were not just trolling?Edited by AnswersInGenitals, : Because the voices told me to.

That would constitute as "the official" longest rant known to man.

Well, for me it's nature, because I don't believe in any Gods, so the rest of your post is pretty much preaching to the converted.When I said that your argument against God wasn't particularly good, it was bad phrasing on my part. What I meant is really in the second sentence; that it's nothing new. Human suffering was greater in the past than the present in many areas of the world, so believers in the Abrahamic God have presumably worked out a way to explain the injustices of nature to themselves long ago. Original sin, the fall etc. Not a comment for me, really, as I thought the irony was obvious as well, and said so. It's interesting that some Christians didn't, though, as we were all reading the same words.Anyway, welcome to EvC, fellow infidel. You'll probably be told that you're going to burn in Hell sooner or later, so you'll get a laugh out of it, if nothing else

He has one of these? So we're not made exactly in his image then.

You should try to read Demons by Dostoevsky.

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FJP8000 wrote: I was under the impression that god's hand is in everything? -----------------------------------------------------------------
One cannot have “free will” if someone else has his hand in it. Free will means “FREE” without any interference. You said, “No doubt he has interfered on numerous occasions, however, this is not to say he is pulling the strings.”???? You are contradicting yourself here. IE: Interfered v.: verb to involve yourself in a situation when your involvement is not wanted or is not helpful 2. Describes someone who gets involved in other people's lives in an unwanted and annoying way.
You also said god took life. Another contradiction: “he is not pulling the strings”.
The origin of human suffering is, according to the bible, Adam & Eve. And, just who do you think imposed human suffering on mankind? Again, according to the bible, god did in retribution for them eating an APPLE!
"Pleased with the death of innocent people"? . . I know the answer to this one! The imaginary devil... of course! I am of the opinion that there is no devil just as there no god, except in the imagination of the believers.Edited by fjp8000, : grammer