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Author Topic:   What Is The Holy Spirit
Phat
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Message 173 of 176 (884380)
02-14-2021 2:54 PM
Reply to: Message 172 by jar
01-31-2021 4:36 PM


Re: What is a reasoned arguement?
jar writes:

You make a specific claim that YOUR God is real but others make exactly the same claim that their God is real.

Whats your point? Why must everyone be equally correct? Oh I know...evidence, right? Throw Evidence Away.

I may have asked before but what makes you believe that what you experienced was different than a bad burrito?
I have experienced bad burritos (and other digestive problems) before. I know the difference.

s it possible to independently verify that you had a mother?
Yes.

Are there ways that anyone could test to see if you had a mother?
Yes. My point is that you cannot test for God or the Holy Spirit in the same way (as far as I know) but that evidence should not be your only standard. You might try belief. Faith is the substance of things hoped for.

Words are ideas. Ideas can be things. If you simply wait for objective evidence you may be standing around asking questions forever...and drawing bad conclusions.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Phat
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Message 175 of 176 (884417)
02-17-2021 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by jar
02-14-2021 4:41 PM


Re: What is a reasoned arguement?
You make a specific claim that YOUR God is real but others make exactly the same claim that their God is real.
I am not requesting that you believe in "my God." My God is entirely capable of reaching you Himself. If you are ignorant enough to choose to believe in Allah, or Ganesha or Coyote or Trolls or Leprechauns that is your problem, not mine. I might suggest that were you shopping for a God that an individual markets, you already have read about far more credible descriptions of God than I have given you here at EvC. In addition, I believe though cannot prove that the God Who Is has already attempted to get your attention Himself.
There is some evidence that you are a patient teacher, though your style leaves a lot to be desired. I suspect that you have killed the budding faith of many a member and many a student of your teachings. You implore people to throw their preconceived notions away, yet you never feed them with any model or method of how to explore Orthodox Christian concepts such as the Holy Spirit or GOD, Creator of all seen and unseen, or most importantly the man Christ Jesus. You never share with anyone how you personally relate to Jesus Christ and in my opinion this is important...and telling. Despite my disagreement with your methods, I still believe that Jesus Himself can reach them as He reached me.

Whether or not He ever made it past your critical mind and Socratic questioning is something that none of us will ever know. In my belief, it is important that you freely accept Him.

You would have to explain why your experience should be accepted when others had similar experiences that lead them to believe in Allah or Ganesha or Coyote or Trolls or Leprechauns or Jim Jones.

Not quite. You would have to decide yourself if any of those others whom you had met seemed to have a well rounded demeanor, a positive outlook, and an honest introspective and active mind. I do not need to defend anything to anyone except myself.
Make a reasoned argument to support those assertions.
I suppose that I can keep trying. I figure that if anything, you think that I need the practice. I will say, however, that I do not plan on throwing God (the concept that I have) away. To me, that is bad advice.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killo

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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