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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5582 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
My porn doesn't involve underaged virgins getting bonked. Gotta read the bible for that.
So you think your holy polterghost showed up in her bedroom one night and said, "I'm gonna fuck you." and she just said "Sure."? Or maybe she cried "Take me! Take me! Take me!" since Joseph was kinda square about these things and only did oral. Also, in the early days of the church the holy spirit was a feminine polterghost. Guess they had a little lezzy action going on? Factio Republicana delenda est. ![]()
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The authors of Matthew describe it this way:
![]() "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member Posts: 33178 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
But what you presented was anathema under Trinitarian dogma.
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Really? Are you saying that the Orthodox Church was not Trinitarian? Or are you simply making an argument from the perspective of Non-Trinitarians?
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member Posts: 33178 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
No Phat, I am saying what you describe is not Trinitarian but rather blasphemy. And of course the early orthodox church was not Trinitarian. Trinitaranism evolved long after the early church.
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
In fact, since you bring up church history, lets resume our argument here: Message 7 Lest our audience is confused about the position you take, allow me to remind you.
You claim to be a believer and have the badge to prove it, but you go on to say this:
We all agree that you have read the Bible, so lets go to the Gospel of Mark.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member Posts: 33178 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
Sheesh Phat.
There is simply NOTHING in your post that has anything to do with the topic.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5582 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
I guess that is why Christians like this story so much. It leaves a lot to the imagination.
For instance, mine. I can imagine a whole lot of priests got a whole lot of benefit from it, human imagination being what it is. Factio Republicana delenda est. ![]()
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
So you claim. Yet you are not the one framing the topic.
Lets look again at Mark 1:10. What is the "Spirit" in this sentence? Where did this Spirit come from? WHO spoke? Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You can imagine anything that you like. Or rather...that IT likes. Or you can submit your imagination under the discipline of the Holy Spirit. The choice and responsibility are yours.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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jar Member Posts: 33178 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
No one knows Phat; other than flowery writing by some unknown author, editor or redactor. AbE:add translator /AbE
It is an attempt at poetry and has no meaning beyond whatever the words conjure in the hearers individual mind. AbE: This is the topic Phat; for you or anyone who believes in the Trinitarian concept to explain what the Holy Spirit is and then try to justify the Trinitarian claim that there is but one God. Edited by jar, : see AbE's.
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
I disagree. Lets say that you are doing a science experiment. You may successfully replicate a predicted result many times until you cautiously conclude that a vaccine is safe for human use, for example. Through your eyes you see the results appear numerically on paper. Through followup interviews with subjects and control groups you mine data and check and recheck your results and conclusions.
Now lets take "The Holy Spirit" into the Lab. Not every scientist can simply do this because they dont *know* that such a critter exists...certainly not to the extent that they conclude this awareness...this presence or feeling of peace, wisdom, and "good vibes" towards others can be quantified. How do they know, for example that this awareness...this feeling...this attitude is anything more than gas from a bad burrito from last nights meal? (Through sensing the same presence after a night of fasting, perhaps.) Through feeling unusually generous towards others whom they otherwise may be selfish towards. Through a sense of wisdom to only help and encourage others and not to try and "win" or "judge" or feel superior towards, or anything that you (the control group) may charge to be found in any Buddhist, or Atheist, or Muslim. In summation, my point of contention is with your presentation of logic,, reason, and reality itself. Im not saying you are not right but your perspective and conclusion is not right for me. It is not how I believe and it is not how I understand reality.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 14955 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
![]() There is One God. Even if I threw religion and the Bible away, the belief makes perfect sense. Pantheism is weak and indecisive. Polytheism is ignorant. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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nwr Member Posts: 5654 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
We need to see the details of your experimental design. Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity
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