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Author Topic:   Percy is a Deist - Now what's the difference between a deist and an atheist?
Dr Jack
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Message 25 of 375 (498429)
02-10-2009 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by RAZD
02-09-2009 8:51 PM


The atheist believes there is no evidence of god/s and that the absence of evidence is evidence of absence (all A is B, B therefore A logical fallacy).
Atheists believe no such thing. We believe there is plentiful evidence that there is no god. In fact, my atheism has little to do with god or no god, I simply believe in a world without any supernatural elements.
That's the key difference between deism and atheism: deists are happy to accept the existence of the supernatural.

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Dr Jack
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Message 62 of 375 (498626)
02-12-2009 8:52 AM
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02-11-2009 9:29 PM


Re: To summarize then
The atheist believes it is purely rational to believe there is/are no god/s, they believe that absence of evidence is indeed not just evidence of absence, but sufficient proof of absence.
You asserted this before, I corrected you then, yet you continue to misrepresent the position. You may believe we are wrong in thinking that the evidence demonstrates to a high level of confidence that there is no god or other supernatural wotsits, but that does mean that the form of our argument follows your misrepresentation.
We don't have an absence of evidence, everywhere there should be evidence of god there isn't. Everywhere we look we don't find supernatural bibbles we find the regular operation of simple interacting parts operating according to repeated principles; and the closer we study the more accurately our models explain and predict. Deism, theism or any other supernaturalism requires that fundamentally the universe is not as it is revealed to us by our finest means of investigation. I don't see any coherent reason to believe that is so.
They believe that they know all {A} such that there is no possible {A} that is not {B}.
You're {A} and {B} examples do not clarify what you're trying to say. What are A and B here?
Edited by Mr Jack, : No reason given.

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Message 114 of 375 (499039)
02-16-2009 4:46 AM
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02-15-2009 10:30 PM


Jellyfish with eyes and no brain is not surprising
Curious that they have 16 light sensors and 8 focusing eyes but no brain, don't you think?
No, I don't. Like other Radiata and some simple Bilatera they have a nerve net distributed through their body rather than a nervous system centralised to a nerve cord. There's nothing particularly surprising about a jellyfish having sensory receptors and no brains; that puts them in common with all other similar creatures.
There's also numerous unicellular organisms, such as the protoctist Euglena, that manage to have "eyes" with not even a neuron in sight.
Edited by Mr Jack, : Retitle + unicellular example

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