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cavediver
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Message 132 of 375 (499372)
02-18-2009 1:03 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by RAZD
02-09-2009 8:51 PM


the absence of evidence is evidence of absence (all A is B, B therefore A logical fallacy).
This, of course, is nonsense You are trying to equate an immensely complex probablistic logical construct (absence of evidence is evidence of absence) with a very simplistic statement of predicate logic. What we reallly have is NOT EVI(A)-> EVI(NOT A). Can you give me a definition of EVI()?
I think it is obvious that absence of evidence is evidence of absence for all "reasonable" definitions of "evidence". This may be extremely weak evidence, but it is evidence none-the-less. We are essentially performing a search of a parameter space for a particular target. Null-results simply reduce the available parameter space for our target. The confidence in a declaration of absence will depend upon the known parametric extent of the target, and the remaining available parameter space. Ever played battleships? What is the probability of finding a battleship in an unsearched 4x4 grid, that is surrounded by null results?
And whilst we may be only generating *evidence* of absence, we are gaining knowledge of the constraints of target...

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cavediver
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Message 180 of 375 (499924)
02-21-2009 11:11 AM


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I was rather disturbed by one particular accusation that RAZD repeated in this thread - that atheists hold a world-view and pick and choose the evidence that supports that world-view. I held a theistic position for twenty-odd years, acknowledging a complete lack of objective evidence. Eventually, catalysed by discussions at EvC, this lack of evidence has switched my position to agnostic/atheistic. I have no desire to be an atheist, but evidence pushes me this way. My spiritual journey is by no means over, and I may end up somewhere completely different, if evidence leads me there. Evidence determines my world-view... simple really.

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